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Goth points

2010-11-24T08:12:49Z

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Goth points are those points whereby it is determined how goth something is. Some gothic features are worth more goth points than others.

Goth points are not the sole possession of netgoths and may in fact by possessed by any goth, though netgoths are, by their very nature, likely to possess more of them. Some inanimate objects (e.g. gravestones) also possess goth points.

Goth points may be obtained for features such as:-

# Wearing black a lot.
# Being naturally black, purple or dark red.
# Having internal organs that are black.
# Posting to gothic newsgroups.
# Going to goth clubs.
# Living in Gothenberg.
# Dying, or almost dying. Also dyeing.
# Being in a gothic band.
# Denying being a goth.
# Going to [[Convergence]] or the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]].
# Being, or looking like, a bat or a spider.

Unfortunately, the deliberate process of trying to accrue goth points can easily lead to being [[sp00ky]]. This approach is therefore not recommended. It should be noted that people who have no goth points still have the potential to be goth-compatible.

Talk:Goth points

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Talk:Scar

2010-11-24T08:12:17Z

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An April March

2010-11-24T08:11:59Z

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Talk:Gallery sites

2010-11-24T08:11:55Z

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You Shriek

2010-11-24T08:11:46Z

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Imperative Reaction

2010-11-24T08:02:45Z

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Talk:Matthew King

2010-11-24T07:00:26Z

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Pan-Canadian Goth Party

2010-11-24T06:59:44Z

Nature vs. Nurture

2010-11-24T06:59:40Z

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This was one of the most fearsome of [[threads]], raging for months in the early 'nineties, ever-increasing in bitterness and abstraction. It involved not only alt.gothic but also crossposts with soc.bi and a few other groups. Quite a lot of anti-goth sentiment was expressed in these places, doubtless partly as a consequence of everybody's sheer frustration. It was salvaged, in the end, partly by the discovery of a mutual love of nutella.

Se7en

2010-11-24T06:59:36Z

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The longest of alt.gothic's [[threads]] ever, Se7en was initially created by [[Erithromycin]] and basically consisted of a list of seven matters of immediate concern to the poster at the time.

'''Example:-'''

1. - I feel like making a list of seven things of concern to me.

2. - I'm vaguely worried that other people will find my list uninteresting.

3. - I'm going to post my list anyway! I'm not ashamed!

4. - Gosh. Some Se7en posters seem to have really interesting things to talk about. Most of the posts in the thread are pretty dull, though, so I'm sure my post will look okay.

5. - I've just been told that the average person can only think of three or four things at one time. Imagine!

6. - I like fluffy things! :D

7. - Um...

This format proved very popular with some people, who liked to read each other's day to day gossip and who enjoyed the focus on lighthearted, present-orientated discussion. Other people, however, loathed this thread with a passion, and some actually gave it as their reason for leaving alt.gothic forever.

Every now and again, a newbie would appear and express disappointment at the fact we were not discussing the films of David Fincher.

Talk:Se7en

2010-11-24T06:59:09Z

Flame Wars

2010-11-24T06:58:48Z

User:Sloot

2010-11-24T06:58:47Z

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[[User:sloot | sloot]] posts on [http://groups.google.ca/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=10&q=group%3Aalt.gothic+author%3Asloot&safe=off&qt_s=Search Usenet]

Attended:
*[[C10]]
*[[C12]]
*[[C14]]
*[[C15]] (I got treated and credited like committee, but I don't think I did enough to deserve it)
<small>(only four? really?)</small>

Regrets:
*[[C8]] (it was damn near in my back yard, but I hadn't heard about it yet)
*[[C9]] (goths in vegas... need I say more?)
*[[C11]] (I heard about some great room parties)
*[[C13]] (sounds like it worked out - despite everything)

User talk:Sloot

2010-11-24T06:58:32Z

Convergence:Voting pre-C15

2010-11-24T06:57:52Z

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Altgothic:Community Portal

2010-11-24T06:57:26Z

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Goth, as we all know, really has nothing to do with communities: it is Just About The Music. We are also advised that communities formed online are Not Real and that when one makes a 'friend' on Usenet THEY COULD BE A DOG YOU DONT KNOW!!1! In which case you might as well turn off your computer and go out and do something less boring instead. For those of us who'd rather talk to a dog who can type than to the average dumb human, however, there's this here page.

Where does a community start? It starts with its [[Members]]. Over the years, there have been an awful lot of us, some sticking around for over a decade, some popping in only briefly to try and sell us Rolexes or persuade us that they're 800 years old. Those people who were part of alt.gothic in the very early days are generally known as [[Great Old Ones]] and are treated with some reverence. Few of them post in our [[threads]] anymore, but quite a few still grep to see what we're saying about them.

Once a year (in the past, once every six months), a [[Netscrape]] polls alt.gothic's denizens to determine their innermost secrets. Amongst other things, this has consistently revealed that approximately two thirds of posters are resident in the USA, with significant numbers based in the UK, Canada and Australia. The difficulties of communicating in a second language probably put off many people from elsewhere, but the group has also had regulars from such far-flung places as Brazil, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, New Zealand, Norway, Russia, South Africa and Sweden.

The 'not real' community of alt.gothic has resulted in several marriages and long-term relationships, births, emigrations, job opportunities, band formations and book purchases. It has been there to support its members through illnesses, deaths and divorces. It has spawned many further communities which use different systems of communication. It may be quieter these days, and over the years it has attracted many doomsayers, but the evidence suggests that rumours of its demise remain greatly exaggerated.

ISC record

2010-11-24T06:57:07Z

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From pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com Thu Nov 7 11:26:32 1991
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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Newsgroups: control,alt.config,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
Summary: newgroup alt.gothic
Keywords: newgroup
Message-ID: <1991Nov1.001114.27291@javelin.sim.es.com>
Date: 1 Nov 91 00:11:14 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
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The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:

>alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture.
>The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and
>dark. It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e.
>the ravaging of asia by the visigoths.
>
>Then, below, you don't necessarily have to explain what each genre
>is:
>
>Gothic music: sometimes called "death rock", encompasses bands
>such as (bands listed in the charter)
>
>Gothic art: films, books, plays, fine arts: art that perpetuates
>a morbidity or feeling of angst. Submissions of gothic prose
>and poetry are encouraged.
>
>Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well
>as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting.

>Finally, I feel it would be especially apt were alt.gothic to be
>created on halloween. :-)

I thought about this before creating the group. Seeing what little
discussion was happening in alt.config, I decided to jump the gun in order to
create upon this relevant date.
--
Living in my own world. Living where I want to be.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown

From news@shelby.stanford.edu Thu Nov 7 15:07:24 1991
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A group for the discussion of the gothic subculture

From damir@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU Wed Apr 1 12:59:56 1992
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From steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU Sun Apr 26 10:52:03 1992
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From smj@smudge.oro.net Fri Nov 18 22:04:47 1994
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Here it is, as promised in alt.config.
The shear volume of traffic in this group should be enough
to validate it at most sites, even if the name could have
been better chosen.

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark

From tale@uunet.uu.net Mon Oct 21 16:48:05 1996
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:42
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remove outdated group

From tale@uunet.uu.net Mon Oct 21 16:48:09 1996
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:46
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remove outdated group

From newsmaster@demon.net Tue Oct 22 12:55:49 1996
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Forge-rmgroupd by the same folks responsible for the stupidity in
news.*

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark

From bierman@apple.com Thu Nov 7 01:34:52 1996
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From: bierman@apple.com (Peter Bierman)
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.gothic
Control: newgroup alt.gothic
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For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic Netizens of the night.

Newgroup sent to counteract forged rmgroup. See attached.

> Path:
>
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ane.org!anon
> From: tale@uunet.uu.net
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> Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:45:46
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> remove outdated group

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 7 19:05:16 1996
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
Date: 05 Nov 1996 06:57:42
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Removal of bogus group not created by recognized voting procedures.

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From: tale@uunet.uu.net
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Date: 05 Nov 1996 06:57:56
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Removal of bogus group not created by recognized voting procedures.

From jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Mon Nov 11 22:45:22 1996
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.swarthmore.edu!res100.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu!user
From: jkramer1@swarthmore.edu (Joshua Kramer)
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For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark.

rmgrouped for no good reason.

--
Joshua Kramer, Student, Swarthmore College.
Any opinions expressed herein represent only those of Joshua Kramer
and should not be taken to represent the views of any organization
or any other individual living or dead.

From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 28 08:21:24 1996
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Superceeded by alt.gothic.* hierarchy

From newsadmin@edv.dmv-franzis.de Tue Aug 5 14:18:15 1997
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Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.

From news@fh-aachen.de Wed Jun 10 01:03:05 1998
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Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.

From newsmaster@alt.gothic.net Tue May 11 13:44:22 1999
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!not-for-mail
From: newsmaster@alt.gothic.net (The Goths)
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Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.gothic
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There's no support for this group:

*joke group

From raquele@borg.svpal.org Tue May 11 22:30:09 1999
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From: raquele@borg.svpal.org (J Gan)
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To counter recent rmgroup.

- High-traffic group with clear need and support; postings are of good
quality
- Group has existed since 1 Nov 1991, according to UUNET cmsg archive
- No discussion or support for removing group was present in alt.config,
as claimed by rmgroup poster, or in alt.gothic

For your newsgroups file:
alt.gothic The gothic movement: things mournful and dark

C17

2010-11-24T06:57:04Z

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Altgothic talk:Community Portal

2010-11-24T06:56:47Z

User:Timly

2010-11-24T06:17:16Z

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timly is just this guy, you know?

one-time guide fanatic, his life is irrevocably tainted by douglas adams and truely, that's a good thing.

former alt.gothic aliases:

timly grae (still used as this is also the "nom de plume")<br>
overboming (misspelled intentionally due to an ISP's restriction on characters in a user name)<br>
daddygoth (and the sometimes combination of the previous two: daddygoth overboming)

now, it's just timly. accept no substitutes!

more about timly:

american (sorry. was given no choice about it).<br>
goth via the passing of new wave from the underground in the states.<br>
musician since he could drive.<br>
father of two. a girl and a boy.<br>
currently the keyboardist/programmer for electrogoth band [[The Passing Hour]], who will be performing at [[C14 | Convergence XIV]] in Ybor,FL in 2008.

Convergence Bid Template

2010-11-24T06:17:01Z

Ynucavuhidi:

Divergence

2010-11-24T06:16:52Z

Ynucavuhidi:

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[[Divergence]] was a one evening event that took place during the same weekend as [[C4 | Convergence IV]]. It was started by [[Lady Greycat]] and [[User:SheilaMarie | Sheila Marie]] in August of 1998. Both women were chatting about missing another Convergence when the idea of being in an mIRC chat while everyone else, it seemed, was at the actual event, was an event in and of itself. It was Christened "Divergence" due to the fact that people in the chat would be separated. Lady Greycat made the official announcement on August 22, 1998 on alt.gothic and a web-page was created shortly after. Sadly, only the Google record of the announcement is all that is left of this momentous occasion.

Divergence II was set to run again when it was discovered that Love and Rockets would be doing a live net-cast from the House Of Blues the same weekend [[C5 | Convergence V]] was to take place. This brought about the first ever band performance at Divergence. A bot was set up on the channel and people popped in and out throughout the weekend of [[C5 | Convergence V]]. No official log was created for this event, and the only record of it is through the Google groups archive.

There was talk of doing it again for [[C7 | Convergence VII]], but didn't get much beyond a mere mention.

The Divergence name was hi-jacked during [[C9 | Convergence IX]] for a pre-Convergence event designed to compete with the real deal. It is believed that the organizer of this Divergence was completely unaware of the prior Divergence events. She was certainly unaware of how to run an event or pay a band.

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= Ghosts of the Old West =
== Convergence 16 Park City, Utah Bid ==

For your kind consideration, your friends from Utah invite you to a one-of-a-kind experience in the finest spot in the Rocky Mountains: Park City, Utah!

Convergence 16: Park City is slated for August 13-16, 2010.

(PS: I'll be adding photos and links when I'm not getting ready for my last night DJing, so please check back in a day or 2.)

== Your Mountain Guides ==

The C16 Utah Committee is led by [[User:Madelyn | Madelyn Boudreaux]] and Paul "[[User:Wookie | Wookie]]" Lohrenz. Both have been in the goth scene for ages, and you've met them or at least seen one or both of them at [[C5]], [[C6]], [[C7]], [[C9]], [[C10]], [[C12]], and [[C14]]. Madelyn has run the roll call since C5, and is on the [[C15]] committee as Volunteer Coordinator.

Heading up the music portion is Jeremiah "[[User:Madmiah | Madmiah]]" Stratton. Miah has been at C7, [[C13]], and C14, and has headed the band committee for Salt Lake's Dark Arts festival for several years.

Handling vending is [[User:Skylar Stratton | Skylar Stratton]], who has also worked on the Dark Arts Festival for many years and attended C7, C13, and C14.

[[User:Donna Rhodes | Donna Rhodes]] of [[Arsenic Fashions]] will be handling the Fashion Show. She attended C7 and C13, and has run the Dark Arts Festival and other fashion shows for several years.

Several other members of SLC's net.goth / [[Convergence]] attending population have agreed to handle various duties. We will likely follow the recent trends and involve long-time Convergence attendees and planners from elsewhere as needed.

Like [[C15 | Long Beach]] and [[C14 | Tampa]] before, our focus will be on the people -- YOU -- who make [[Convergence]] what it is. A "gothapalooza" this will not be! You'll be coming here to revel in the company of your net.goth friends (including the ones you don't know yet) and to enjoy exploring a place many only see once a year on the Independent Film Channel.

== Theme ==

Ghosts of the Old West. Park City has cred as a former Ghost Town, and our theme will mirror the gritty Old West Victorian era: saloons and dance halls, with a touch of steam punk in the fashion of Wild Wild West.

== Location ==

Park City grew up as a Silver Mining town in the days of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, but by the Great Depression, it had fallen into official "Ghost Town" status. Until the 1980s, only a handful of people called in home. Until one Mr. Robert Redford, knowing a good thing when he sees it, decided it would be the right place to make his stand as only the Sundance Kid could: by starting an international independent film festival. These days, the festival draws the likes of Paris and her latest BFF, and is anything but small, but the independent spirit pervades.

Park City itself has stayed true to its roots in many ways, and has preserved its old Main street beautifully. The shops themselves no longer sell flour or spurs, but an endless supply of alpine gear, art, photography, and clothing from fancy to just plain weird. Window shopping is great fun here, although we will be the first to admit that you're not going to be shopping for Lip Service stuff. However, if a pair of freak-friendly cowboy boots or a movie-starlet's parka in on your list, you just might find it here!

== Weather ==

Why swelter in the lowlands when you can enjoy highs in the low 80s during the days and lows in the cool 40s at night, little humidity, and almost guaranteed clear skies?

== Hotel ==

Park City's Treasure Mountain Inn, at the top of Main Street, offers gorgeous views at excellent prices. They've quoted us a rate of $129/night for double-occupancy, with several additional room styles, sleeping up to 5, available. Rooms are unlike the usual hotel rooms, but are gorgeously appointed suites, each with a full dine-in kitchenette including full-size stove and fridge, and a seating area. Most rooms overlook the courtyard and have a balcony; others overlook Main Street.

The hotel is quite small and has maximum occupancy of about 149, so book early if you want to stay there. Luckily, there are many options for overflow, if needed, from two Marriott's in close vicinity to condos, resorts, and several other hotels in EASY walking distance.

Official day-time events will occur here as well, and it is a mere 5 minutes' walk from several potential venues for evening events, including the World Famous Harry Os.

Because of the small size of the hotel, we are in talks about potentially booking the entire place -- always a boon for our crowd. The hotel hosts Slamdance and MTV as well as many other freak-friendly events, and are well suited to our eclecticism. If we can book out the entire hotel, we are assured latre-night use of the courtyard and, yes, the hot tub! This depends on our ability to book all rooms

== Thursday ==

Arriving early? We'll enjoy a low-key evening event at a Park City lounge. Or, if you prefer to stay in Salt Lake for the night, we'll hook you up with our long-running Goth night at SLC's own Area 51.

== Events ==

Of course, every Convergence has some things in common: vendors, meals, and the evening events. Ours will be no different.

=== Friday ===

Meet and Greet / Sign In -- the traditional opening event. Sign in, get your laminates, and enjoy the scenery -- gorgeous goths and the incredible mountain views!
Death Rock Mountain High -- Rip up your stockings and spike the mohawk for a little bit of Utah blasphemy. DJs round out the night, keeping it dark, darker, and darkest.

=== Saturday ===
Dry Goods Market -- One thing you can't do much of in the mountains of Utah is shop for cool goth stuff. But that's okay; we bring it to you!
Daytime Excursions -- Take a trip over the mountains to Park City, or head down into Salt Lake City. Plan your own early group dinner, or take a ride on the zip line, alpine slides, or aerial tram. Head up a trail for some amazing wildflower photography. You can even take a horseback ride.
Fashion Show -- Of course! See the beautiful designs against an equally beautiful setting.
Big Gothic Rock Tent Revival -- Tonight's the night for corsets and nice boots. We'lll remind you why you fell in love with the dark in the first pace, and the DJs will keep you dancing all night long.

=== Sunday ===

Dry Goods Market -- A day of rest? No way. Finish your shopping!
Daytime Excursions -- If you didn't go see the wildflowers yesterday, seriously -- grab the nearest hot model/photographer and a camera, and go walk around. Or check out one of the other options for things to do on your summer vacation.
The Silver King Underground -- Break out the goggles and the New Rocks! It's industrial night. (Want a tie-in? Industrial Worker of the World, Joe Hill, worked in Park City's Silver King Mine at the time he accused.) Crunchy tunes and DJs with fake German-sounding names get you ready to welcome our benevolent robot masters!

=== Monday ===

So Long, Farewell...
Another year wrapped up, another hangover from hell, and another 3000 photos to post. Join us for a farewell breakfast, get your last lungful of alpine air, and then make your way back down to the airport.

== Unofficial Events and Excursions ==

Hop on the Park City Town Ski Lift (yes, it runs in the summer, too!) and take a leisurely ride to the Park City Mountain Resort which, in the summer features all manner of fun. From Ziplines to alpine slides to horseback rides, you can go as fast or as slow as you desire! Take the larger ski lift for an aerial tour of the mountain, or hop off at one of the stops to hike through meadows of the most beautiful wild flowers you will ever encounter. Don't forget your favorite model and/or photographer.

Goths On Ice -- For those wishing to take to the ice, Park City features its own ice arena, located at the intersection of SR 248 and Hwy 40.

CorpGoth dinner -- Park City features scores of dining options, most of them right on Main Street, many with banquet facilities. Group dining information and comparisons of banquet size and prices can be found here: http://www.parkcityinfo.com/static/index.cfm?contentID=519

Goths on the Greens -- Wookie has recently taken up golfing, and wants to get a group to hit the greens. Utilikilts optional but highly recommended!

Wondering about the Mormons? We do, too. Head down to Salt Lake City for a tour of the Temple. (Just PLEASE observe their rules about smoking, and dress nicely. They can handle goths, but visiting the Temple is similar to visiting any house of worship.) We may plan a Salt Lake guide for some of the more interesting sites -- how about a VW-sized sphinx with Joseph Smith's head? -- if there is enough interest.

How about a train ride through the mountains? Your best bet for an easy ride through stunning scenery. There are several offerings from the Heber Valley Rail Road, including an option for river rafting with an experienced guide.

There's plenty to do during the day, but don't over-do it; the mountain air will tire you out faster than you realize. Same some energy for the evening events!

== Getting Here ==

Salt Lake International Airport is home to 17 airlines and more than 900 flights. Average flight times are 2 hours from most West Coast cities, 3 hours from the midwest, and 5 hours from the East Coast.

Once you're on the ground, Park City is a 35 minute drive through some of America's most beautiful canyons. 15 shuttle companies offer round-the-clock SLC-to-Park City service, ranging in price.

Getting Around in PC:
Once you're here, getting around town is equally convenient by foot or the town's free transit system.

From 7:30 a.m. until 10:30 p.m. every day, buses will take you just about anywhere you need to go in Park City, for free!

Daily from 10:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Main Street Trolley connects the Old Town Transit Center and Main Street.

Park City also has a number of taxi services.

If you plan to hit the Park City Mountain Resort for a day of Alpine Slide, Ziplines, or walks, take the Park City Town Lift. Yes, Park City
has its own municipal ski lift, and in the summer, it takes you right to the best things in town.

== Rental cars ==

Due to the size of Park City, rental cars should not be necessary, and the hotel discourages them. http://www.parkcity.org/citydepartments/parking/parkinginparkcity/overnightparking.html

== F.A.Q. ==

Q. Why is it "Utah" and not "Salt Lake City"?
A. Although the committee is located in SLC, and you'll go through it to get to C16, in fact, the event itself will take place entirely in Park City. Therefore, it's not really C16 SLC. Don't get us wrong; we love Salt Lake City! It's a great city. We just thought we'd try something different, and Park City's unique offerings will allow us to do more and make the event really special.

Q. How do we get from the airport to Park City?
A. Ground transportation from SLC International Airport to Park City runs regularly, for prices as low as $20/person. Rental cars are also available. Depending on the need, we may set up some type a ride-share process of some type to help you get from the airport to PC as cheaply as possible.

Q. Isn't Park City expensive?
A. Park City is a ski town, meaning they make almost all their money in the winter. Summer finds local venues dropping their prices radically just to keep something happening.

Q. What will the weather be like?
A. Well, it's hard to predict... but average temperatures in Park City in the summer are awesome. The daily average maximum temperature in August is 78F, and the daily average low is 48, according to Wikipedia.

Q. Isn't Utah a weird place for goths?
A. Park City hosts Sundance. We are far from the weirdest people they will ever see!

Q. Blah blah blah ALCOHOL?
A. Yes, you can drink in Utah. Park City has two liquor stores which are open every day but Sundays. One is a few yards from Treasure Mountain Inn; the other is HUGE and is a ways out but not any farther than liquor stores usually are from the hotel, and there are busses and other options to get there. Furthermore, at this altitude, you will notice that you get drunk faster than you may be used to.

Q. What about Private Clubs?
A. The Private Club rule is often misunderstood. It works basically like paying a cover at the door in most cases, so when you pay for a ticket to a show, that includes the temporary membership. In other cases, one person with a membership can 'sponsor' other people. For our venues, we will either have enough membership holders at the event to sponsor every attendee, or we will have worked out the necessary membership requirements ahead of time. There is also some chance that the "private club" requirement will be lifted by 2010.

Q. Same question, but about coffee?
A. Trust us; we have coffee. Park City is especially coffee friendly.

Q. How will the altitude (7,000 feet) affect me?
A. Everyone is different, although staying hydrated helps a lot. Don't forget: Utah is a high desert, and you will need lots of water while you're here. Some people get headaches from the altitude, and alcohol will almost certainly hit you harder than it does closer to sea level, so if you drink, do so slower than you're used to. Common annoying but non-threatening symptoms include a headache combined with one or more of the following: Lack of appetite, nausea, or vomiting, Fatigue or weakness, Dizziness or light-headedness, Insomnia, Pins and needles, Shortness of breath upon exertion, Persistent rapid pulse, Drowsiness, General malaise, or swelling of hands, feet, and face.

Symptoms that may indicate life-threatening altitude sickness include a persistent dry cough, fever, and shortness of breath even when resting, or a headache that does not respond to analgesics, unsteady gait, increased vomiting, and gradual loss of consciousness. These symptoms typically occur at altitudes over 10,000 feet, so you'll be considerably lower than that and not likely to be at risk.

Q. Won't the Mormons have a problem with us looking freaky?
A. Maybe, maybe not. They're not really as straight-laced as you might think -- not any more than norms anywhere. But you actually probably won't be around them much. Park City is used to hosting people from around the world. If they can handle Paris and her crew, we won't phase them. And, as always, you get out what you put in: be nice, and most people will be nice right back. Be an ass, and you just make it harder for those of us who live here.

Q. Swimming pool, hot tub?
A. If we can book the entire hotel, we will have all-night access to the courtyard hot tub.

Q. After hours?
Again, if we can book the hotel out completely, we will have access to the courtyard at night. Otherwise, we have options for after-hours permits at one of the local venues.

Q. Will the events be kid-friendly?
A. Yes and no. As is often the case with Convergence evening events, they will most likely be 21+ only. However, the day-time activities are extremely family-friendly and great fun for everyone. We will have someone in charge of finding a babysitting service if needed.

Q. I hate ______ kind of music, which you have on _____ night. What do I do?
A. By breaking the music out like this, we are trying to give you a night to hang out with friends or relax AND a night to dance your butts off. There will be plenty of space to hang out with your friends, or enjoy a nice late-night dinner.

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Talk:Divergence

2010-11-24T06:15:35Z

Whitby Gothic Weekend

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Valor's Christian Death

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Convergence Roll Call

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Toronto

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Toronto is the largest city in the [[People's Republic of Soviet Canuckistan]]. It draws goths like a magnet, probably because of its abundant Victorian architecture, although its goths notoriously fail to Support The Scene.

User talk:Blackavar

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The Cabal

2010-11-24T01:57:13Z

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Jennie is good at writing.

C12

2010-11-24T01:55:25Z

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2010-11-24T01:54:40Z

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Wisconsin dells bid

2010-11-24T01:54:07Z

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Erithromycin

2010-11-24T01:54:02Z

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Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Urethromycin' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he inserted a twenty pound note into his urethra. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith shares a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.
# Erith is 74% Wood Fibre. The other 26% has been variously identified as 'vitriol', 'jesus', 'tea' and other things that seemed funny at the time.
# Erith keeps getting stuck in Edit Wars with [[Godot]], usually involving redirect pages.
# Erith is the original designer of the [[agLET]] system.

My Scarlet Life

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Garden of Dreams

2010-11-24T01:50:02Z

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Garden of Dreams was a local band that performed at [[C1 | Convergence I]] in Chicago,IL in 1995.

Alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1 beta

2010-11-24T01:48:07Z

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Net.goth

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Count Von Sexbat

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Count Von Sexbat is probably the most famous of the netgoth [[Great Old Ones]], yet despite this he has remained only nineteen years old. A top DJ, he runs the popular 'Eighties Night at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]].

GothPat

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GothPat is one of the [[Great Old Ones]] who has given many years of dedicated service to her fellow netgoths. She is still active in running events at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]].

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2010-11-24T01:44:37Z

Seraphim Gothique

2010-11-24T01:44:03Z

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Seraphim Gothique performed at [[C1 | Convergence I]] in Chicago,IL in 1995 and at [[C3 | Convergence III]] in San Francisco,CA in 1997.

Two Ton Boa

2010-11-24T01:44:03Z

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