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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. The wiki and handbook include a lot of lessons learned in the evolution of Convergence from an informal hotel party to a more organized event (you can see the current draft version of the handbook [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDNMz6z8F4OPvOKAy_wE8yfNNONlE8P4aIle9IKzt3Q/ here]). We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. The wiki and handbook include a lot of lessons learned in the evolution of Convergence from an informal hotel party to a more organized event (you can see the current draft version of the handbook [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDNMz6z8F4OPvOKAy_wE8yfNNONlE8P4aIle9IKzt3Q here]). We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bids&amp;diff=2694</id>
		<title>Bids</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bids&amp;diff=2694"/>
		<updated>2026-02-12T21:49:58Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Build_a_Bid&amp;diff=2693</id>
		<title>How to Build a Bid</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-12T21:45:40Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied for voting. In most conversations and documentation of process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous. Bid may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion and promotion of specific bids is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], and promotion, even in a general &amp;quot;buzz-generating&amp;quot; sense is frowned upon, with the possibility that over-promotion early can result in a failure to have the bid ratified.&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel, providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039; the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block (depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000 people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than 60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30 range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submitting a Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
Please see [[Bids]] and [[Timeline]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TroubleConsultant</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Build_a_Bid&amp;diff=2692</id>
		<title>How to Build a Bid</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Build_a_Bid&amp;diff=2692"/>
		<updated>2026-02-12T21:42:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TroubleConsultant: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied for voting. In most conversations and documentation of process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous. Bid may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion and promotion of specific bids is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], and promotion, even in a general &amp;quot;buzz-generating&amp;quot; sense is frowned upon, with the possibility that over-promotion early can result in a failure to have the bid ratified.&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submitting a Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
Please see [[Bids]] and [[Timeline]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Bids</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Main Page</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== Convergence ==&lt;br /&gt;
This is most likely why you are here. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding and Voting for Convergence 28 will be announced shortly, we&#039;re trying to get our shit together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Bid? How do we bid?!?&amp;quot; See the [[Bids]] page for the gory details. &lt;br /&gt;
Want to know what the timeline for the next bid looks like? Check [[Timeline|here]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[C27|Convergence 27]] was held in Denver, CO, in August of 2025.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[C26|Convergence 26]] may someday be in Louisville, KY. It also may be the Convergence that wasn&#039;t, having been put on unfortunate pandemic hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Further updates can be found in [[Convergence_News]], and on other websites.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Information about past Convergences can be found on the [[Convergence]] page.  Links to sites with photos from past Convergences can be found under [[Gallery_sites]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you are looking to VOTE, register to vote, anything to do with voting, please go back three spaces, I mean [http://www.altgothic.com/voter/ go directly to the voter page].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== So What&#039;s This All About Then Anyway? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;The [[alt.gothic]] wiki&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt; also known as &#039;&#039;alt.gothic&#039;s Wiki featuring Axel (Where Sloot and kest Write All the Pages and Do All the Work)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wherein we explain what [[alt.gothic]] and its well loved child [[Convergence]] are all about, how they work, who did what to whom, where, when &amp;amp; how. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Possibly with [[Gallery sites | incriminating pictures]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This isn&#039;t [http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] so don&#039;t write the way you would there. Check out the [[Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide]] for how to do things, or just write. The result is likely the same.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Brought to you in part by: &lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet]] - Chief Bullseye, herds the goths, does the talking, gets all the shit, doesn&#039;t get appreciated. &lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Carrie_Monster | Carrie Monster]] - Bullseye on hiatus&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] in aeternum&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:TroubleConsultant | TroubleConsultant]] makes the tech go, attempts to fill Peter&#039;s shoes.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:kest | kest]] is avian.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Jola | Jola]] is a jerk but she does stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:spacekadt | Spacekadt]] is helpful.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Sloot | sloot]] - runs around editing shit without thinking or asking for approval.&lt;br /&gt;
and others who stay in the shadows. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Retirees:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Axel | Axel]] - retired from being the Bullseye to spend more time with his [[Better Martini]] collection, but occasionally pops in to edit things, like a less hairy [[User:Sloot | sloot]]!&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] - retired from being the Bullseye to better save her incipient geezerhood.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Macross | Macross]] - retired from being the Bullseye to learn about the birds, the bees and barbecued meat.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Xthlc | Xthlc]] - handed the reins to Macross.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Consult the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User&#039;s Guide] for information on using the wiki software.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Getting started ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce MediaWiki release mailing list]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== CONvergence SF Con ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For information about the science fiction convention CONvergence held annually in Minnesota, please visit the [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence-con ] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[How to Build a Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would an &amp;quot;open bid planning&amp;quot; page be a good idea? I&#039;m envisioning basically laying out all thoughts and conversations for a hypothetical bid, so that someone thinking about their bid could go look at how such a thing might go down... --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 17:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
Is 2-3 people per room average about right for filling rooms? Looking for input as to number of attendees overall versus number of rooms sold. Also, note to self: ask Leslie for hotel-side info such as typical contracts provisions, typical size rooms for booth space in case of vending, banquet space in case of tea-party or corpgoth needing to go in-house, etc. --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 17:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
Probably need contacts with actual serious promotion experience to fill in these. Matt Fanale might have useful info as well. --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 17:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
====Space and Outfitting====&lt;br /&gt;
====Talent and Riders====&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submitting a Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps we should allow people planning to put together a bid by listing which C they&#039;re bidding for, what city, and recording a date, then ask them to come back every 90 days or so and update the date so we know they&#039;re still thinking about bidding? --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 18:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied for voting. In most conversations and documentation of process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous. Bid may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion and promotion of specific bids is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], and promotion, even in a general &amp;quot;buzz-generating&amp;quot; sense is frowned upon, with the possibility that over-promotion early can result in a failure to have the bid ratified.&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw between 150 and 300 attendees, and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel, providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough. The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this capacity, but even that it be in the hotel lobby isn&#039;t necessary if there&#039;s a side room that can be co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039; the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block (depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much better to start with too few rooms and have to add than it is to end up with too many. Depending on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit around, drink and socialize at any time of the day. &lt;br /&gt;
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You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate sized room for vendors to set up in to sell their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending daytime events so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000 people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes. &lt;br /&gt;
====Space and Outfitting====&lt;br /&gt;
====Talent and Riders====&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected and directions to those things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than 60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30 range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Submitting a Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
Please see [[Bids]] and [[Timeline]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[Required Content in a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Required Content in a Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Bids</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[Required Content in a Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Bids</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[Bid Requirements]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would an &amp;quot;open bid planning&amp;quot; page be a good idea? I&#039;m envisioning basically laying out all thoughts and conversations for a hypothetical bid, so that someone thinking about their bid could go look at how such a thing might go down... --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 17:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
Is 2-3 people per room average about right for filling rooms? Looking for input as to number of attendees overall versus number of rooms sold. Also, note to self: ask Leslie for hotel-side info such as typical contracts provisions, typical size rooms for booth space in case of vending, banquet space in case of tea-party or corpgoth needing to go in-house, etc. --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 17:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
Probably need contacts with actual serious promotion experience to fill in these. Matt Fanale might have useful info as well. --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 17:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
====Space and Outfitting====&lt;br /&gt;
====Talent and Riders====&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submitting a Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps we should allow people planning to put together a bid by listing which C they&#039;re bidding for, what city, and recording a date, then ask them to come back every 90 days or so and update the date so we know they&#039;re still thinking about bidding? --[[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 18:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied for voting. In most conversations and documentation of process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous. Bid may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion and promotion of specific bids is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], and promotion, even in a general &amp;quot;buzz-generating&amp;quot; sense is frowned upon, with the possibility that over-promotion early can result in a failure to have the bid ratified.&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw between 150 and 300 attendees, and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel, providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough. The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this capacity, but even that it be in the hotel lobby isn&#039;t necessary if there&#039;s a side room that can be co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039; the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block (depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much better to start with too few rooms and have to add than it is to end up with too many. Depending on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit around, drink and socialize at any time of the day. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate sized room for vendors to set up in to sell their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending daytime events so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000 people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes. &lt;br /&gt;
====Space and Outfitting====&lt;br /&gt;
====Talent and Riders====&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected and directions to those things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than 60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30 range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Submitting a Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
Please see [[Bids]] and [[Timeline]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== Convergence ==&lt;br /&gt;
This is most likely why you are here. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding and Voting for Convergence 28 will be announced shortly, we&#039;re trying to get our shit together. &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Bid? How do we bid?!?&amp;quot; See the [[Bids]] page for the gory details. Want to know what the timeline for the next convergence looks like? Check [[Timeline|here]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[C27|Convergence 27]] was held in Denver, CO, in August of 2025.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[C26|Convergence 26]] may someday be in Louisville, KY. It also may be the Convergence that wasn&#039;t, having been put on unfortunate pandemic hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Further updates can be found in [[Convergence_News]], and on other websites.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Information about past Convergences can be found on the [[Convergence]] page.  Links to sites with photos from past Convergences can be found under [[Gallery_sites]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you are looking to VOTE, register to vote, anything to do with voting, please go back three spaces, I mean [http://www.altgothic.com/voter/ go directly to the voter page].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== So What&#039;s This All About Then Anyway? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;The [[alt.gothic]] wiki&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt; also known as &#039;&#039;alt.gothic&#039;s Wiki featuring Axel (Where Sloot and kest Write All the Pages and Do All the Work)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wherein we explain what [[alt.gothic]] and its well loved child [[Convergence]] are all about, how they work, who did what to whom, where, when &amp;amp; how. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Possibly with [[Gallery sites | incriminating pictures]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This isn&#039;t [http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] so don&#039;t write the way you would there. Check out the [[Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide]] for how to do things, or just write. The result is likely the same.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Brought to you in part by: &lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet]] - Chief Bullseye, herds the goths, does the talking, gets all the shit, doesn&#039;t get appreciated. &lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Carrie_Monster | Carrie Monster]] - Bullseye on hiatus&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] in aeternum&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:TroubleConsultant | TroubleConsultant]] makes the tech go, attempts to fill Peter&#039;s shoes.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:kest | kest]] is avian.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Jola | Jola]] is a jerk but she does stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:spacekadt | Spacekadt]] is helpful.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Sloot | sloot]] - runs around editing shit without thinking or asking for approval.&lt;br /&gt;
and others who stay in the shadows. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Retirees:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Axel | Axel]] - retired from being the Bullseye to spend more time with his [[Better Martini]] collection, but occasionally pops in to edit things, like a less hairy [[User:Sloot | sloot]]!&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] - retired from being the Bullseye to better save her incipient geezerhood.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Macross | Macross]] - retired from being the Bullseye to learn about the birds, the bees and barbecued meat.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Xthlc | Xthlc]] - handed the reins to Macross.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Consult the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User&#039;s Guide] for information on using the wiki software.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Getting started ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce MediaWiki release mailing list]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== CONvergence SF Con ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For information about the science fiction convention CONvergence held annually in Minnesota, please visit the [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence-con ] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
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	</entry>
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		<id>https://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bids&amp;diff=2675</id>
		<title>Bids</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-12T21:12:24Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Bids</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠  is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other related pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is about &#039;&#039;&#039;how to bid&#039;&#039;&#039; ie the process thereof. The [[Bid]] page has more info on what to put in your bid. There is also a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]] and some additional notes on [[Best practices]] and we&#039;re working on putting together a whole goddamn handbook. We&#039;ve seen enough clusterfucks, but if you choose not to heed, it&#039;s your funeral.&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]] for info on the Bid Selection Process. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Proposal Requirements==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;If you are at all unclear about what is and is not acceptable, ask [[The_C*B*L]] &#039;&#039;BEFORE&#039;&#039; acting. If you act first and get it wrong, your bid could be disqualified.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you want to put this show on, you need to read these requirements. If your bid breaks the rules, it will not be included in the vote. [[The_C*B*L | We]] do not want to have to do so but we have to be fair to all the people who invest time, effort and money in putting a bid together.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The core planning and decision-making membership of a Convergence committee should consist of at least 50% [[net.goth]]s. [[alt.gothic | We]] prefer it if ALL members of your committee have attended at least one past Convergence. We highly recommend including a C*b*l member and/or someone who has been on a Convergence committee before. These numbers do not include and are not relevant to the volunteer and paid staff who assist in actually presenting the event on its scheduled days. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In your Convergence Bid Proposal you must &lt;br /&gt;
;Introduce your Bid Committee. &lt;br /&gt;
:We put this at the top, &#039;cos it&#039;s the most important part. We have to trust you to put on [[alt.gothic | our party]] and to do it right so knowing who you are and why we can have confidence in you is really important.&lt;br /&gt;
;Explain why we should come to your town. &lt;br /&gt;
:What&#039;s in it for us? &lt;br /&gt;
:How does it rock? &lt;br /&gt;
;Outline what your tentative plans are for Convergence. &lt;br /&gt;
:Over the years this part has typically been the most emphasized in the bids, and has become way rather more than &#039;tentative&#039;. Since you will only have about a year (and considerably less in 2026, sorry) between vote and execution the more planning you can do in advance the better.&lt;br /&gt;
;Include a tentative budget outline. &lt;br /&gt;
:This does not need to be fully fleshed out by any stretch of the imagination, but we want to see that you have a realistic idea of how much things cost, that you&#039;ve got the major points covered, and that you have an idea of how you&#039;ll pay for all of it. &#039;&#039;&#039;This is not binding, and we very much expect that your numbers will change as you go.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Audience===&lt;br /&gt;
Your core audience are the denizens of alt.gothic, net.goths in general, and ALL their friends. The expected attendees includes our friends and families from the alt.gothic.* news groups, related mailing lists, social media groups, and other forms of electronic communities. &lt;br /&gt;
You will definitely want to attract locals and new attendees, because everyone awesome in the scene is welcome, but the core group will likely be traveling in, which needs to be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Content===&lt;br /&gt;
The themes, locations and activities are up to your committee&#039;s creativity and resources. We are trusting you to design an affordable, accessible and highly social event for us to attend. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Bid]] page has details and suggestions on how to put together an effective bid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the official &#039;Bid&#039; is the text content as posted on alt.gothic.com. Don&#039;t be put off bidding because your fancy website isn&#039;t all ready to go. While it behooves you to do as much as possible in advance, there may also be many things you want to wait before setting in stone. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As long as your committee keeps its core audience in mind with realistic goals and strives to maintain a high degree of organization and professionalism, you can expect great success in planning and executing your alt.gothic Convergence℠ party, should the vote be in your favor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Submission===&lt;br /&gt;
To have your proposal included on this year&#039;s ballot, you must &lt;br /&gt;
# Register for web space on altgothic.com as noted below, &lt;br /&gt;
# Submit your proposal via email to the current bullseye (as of 2026, the current bullseye is [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi Pants]). The person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with The C*B*L. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
# Await receipt that your proposal has been accepted&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can talk about your potential bid prior to this anywhere you want, and indeed we encourage you to ask alt.gothic what we want, and to get input from previous organisers and attendees to make your bid the best possible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Posting to social networks, blogs, regional mailing lists, web communities and other resources is permitted but not required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Submission Period===&lt;br /&gt;
See the [[timeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bid Proposal Web Sites===&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal web sites &#039;&#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039;&#039; be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions. Each Bid Committee will be allotted 10MB of disk space, a single FTP login account with 24-hour access. With prior arrangement, CGI-bin (Perl, Python) or PHP access, and database access can be arranged. No other website may be used to provide informational content, only to provide a reference to the altgothic.com-hosted proposal site. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To receive your altgothic.com web account, please send the following information to [mailto:ashbet@gmail.com Andi]: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Your full contact information (name, address, phone number, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
*Your Bid Proposal Committee information (city/state/country).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Best Practices===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;(Some advice from past committees)&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to alt.gothic as you build your event. [[alt.gothic | We]] are your audience. We can give you very fast feedback about what is worth investing your time and money on when you put the event together. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to former Convergence committees. Odds are someone has relevant experience that you can learn from, instead of making the same mistake twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk to [[The C*B*L]]. We have experience putting on the party. We have experience attending the party. We know an awful lot of people who know stuff about things that you can leverage. We do this because we love Convergence. Not for the money, drugs or women&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;What money, drugs and women?&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. We will keep anything you talk to us about in the strictest confidence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Add a [[The C*B*L]] member to your committee conversations per whatever method you chose - &amp;quot;private&amp;quot; FB community is a great example.  The C*B*L will not undermine your authority but will be happy to step in and help when help becomes obviously necessary.  This will be a requirement for the future (2026 and beyond bids). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Avoid scheduling conflicts with similar events. It&#039;ll limit the people who can come, and since most others are on a regular calendar schedule but since Convergence floats chronologically, you&#039;ll look like a dick. Piss people off and they won&#039;t buy tickets, and because Convergence is first and foremost a social event that can have a ripple effect. For instance [http://wgw.topmum.co.uk/ Whitby Gothic Weekend], [http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/ WaveGotik Treffen], [http://www.blacksun-festival.com/ Black Sun], the various &#039;Dark Arts&#039; festivals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Listing specific musical acts, venues or other information which can change drastically over the next 9 to 12 months in your bid is strongly discouraged. Firstly because it&#039;s not &#039;&#039;about&#039;&#039; the bands; secondly, if you promise to resurrect Ian Curtis and don&#039;t deliver, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll be lynched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Keep your committees small. A small core committee of 4 people or less (not including volunteers) is far more efficient and likely to succeed than a larger committee. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication within your committee, volunteers, hired help, venues, vendors, DJs, bands&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Maintain regular open communication with [[alt.gothic]] and [[The C*B*L]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Nominate one person to speak on behalf of your committee. It is a practice which can spare your audience from a lot of confusion and your committee from embarrassment. However, make sure it is somebody who has time and energy to spend on answering seemingly dumb questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Limit your live band rosters. Live bands are nice but not essential, and they consume a massive part of the event budget. The primary focus of Convergence is the people of alt.gothic. Events should be people oriented and inclusive, relaxed, inexpensive and above all FUN.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Not sure what your bid should look like? Here&#039;s a [[Convergence Bid Template | Template]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
More details and suggestions can be found at [[Best practices]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Extended Resources for Bid Proposal Committees===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We have several alt.gothic Convergence℠ Committee members who act as advisors, and will be available to all Bid Proposal Committee members, as well as specific contacts in all areas of Convergence planning. These members have volunteered their time and expertise to remain highly available to assist all of you in constructing the best Bid Proposals and eventually the best Convergence events possible. Browse [[Main_Page | this wiki]] and check out [[Best_practices | Our Best Practices]] and [[Convergence_Bid_Template | the Bid Template]] for more information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of consulting with past Convergence committees members to get a solid perspective on what works and what does not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Latest Bid news is on the [[Convergence News]] page&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Prior Bids==&lt;br /&gt;
Information about prior bidding proposals are organized by event:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C1]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C2]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C3]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C4]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C5]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C6]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C7]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C8]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C9]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C10]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C11]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C12]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C13]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C14]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C15]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C16]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C17]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C18]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C19]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C20]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C21]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C22]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C23]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C24]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C25]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C26]] (Note: Due to COVID, the Louisville Convergence in 2020 didn’t happen, but we do have the bid archived.)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[C27]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-----------------------&lt;br /&gt;
-------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding is the process by which proposals for Convergence events are formalized and readied&lt;br /&gt;
for voting. In most conversations and documentation of the process, the terms &amp;quot;bid&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;proposal&amp;quot; are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bids may be prepared at any time for any year&#039;s event, even several years out, but the details of&lt;br /&gt;
the proposal should be considered something of an open secret. Open discussion of bid&lt;br /&gt;
specifics is limited to periods as described in the [[Timeline]], although general discussion to&lt;br /&gt;
create buzz is allowed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==How To Build A Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Expectations===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Convergences vary in size and duration due to many factors. A typical recent event will draw&lt;br /&gt;
between 150 and 300 attendees (verified as of 2026 – there may be as many as 500 people at&lt;br /&gt;
the event, but that includes locals + bands), and typically officially last Friday through Sunday of&lt;br /&gt;
a weekend, with unofficial stays running Wednesday through Tuesday. Attendees will be&lt;br /&gt;
happiest if negotiated room rates at least include Thursday and Monday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a great deal of flexibility in what&#039;s actually provided. For example, if the place where a&lt;br /&gt;
Convergence event is being planned for has no suitable venue, then using a hotel&#039;s ballroom&lt;br /&gt;
space may be a useful option. If an otherwise ideal venue exists but is distant from the hotel,&lt;br /&gt;
providing shuttle buses may be an option. If a base hotel is too small to accommodate projected&lt;br /&gt;
attendance, provision for an overflow hotel nearby may be a useful option, even so little as&lt;br /&gt;
simply locating one that isn&#039;t full yet and saying &amp;quot;try this one&amp;quot; may be enough.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The absolute bare minimum is a place for a bunch of goths to hang out together, publicly and&lt;br /&gt;
ideally 24 hours a day, and plan things. In most cases, the hotel lobby has served in this&lt;br /&gt;
capacity, but even the hotel lobby isn&#039;t strictly necessary, if there&#039;s a side room that can be&lt;br /&gt;
co-opted, a patio, or a con suite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hotel===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will need a place or places for people to stay. Designating a particular spot concentrates the&lt;br /&gt;
fun. Aim small, though. Being able to fill 70% of the rooms at 2-3 people per is much more&lt;br /&gt;
harmonious than filling 10% of a larger hotel. (Unless you&#039;re Las Vegas, in which case &#039;&#039;&#039;we&#039;re&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
the quiet ones.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Room Blocks====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s just one piece of advice you listen to here, it&#039;s this: &#039;&#039;&#039;Start small!&#039;&#039;&#039; Make sure you set up&lt;br /&gt;
the block with an adequate number of rooms and that there&#039;s room for growth of the block&lt;br /&gt;
(depending on hotel capacity and how many rooms they have available at the time). It&#039;s much&lt;br /&gt;
better to start with too few rooms and have to add, than it is to end up with too many. Depending&lt;br /&gt;
on the hotel you&#039;ve contracted with, you may end up paying for those extra rooms out of your&lt;br /&gt;
own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The appropriate number of rooms to block varies by year, but you&#039;ll also want to take particular&lt;br /&gt;
days into account. If you&#039;re planning to book out 100 rooms on the top days, you might want to&lt;br /&gt;
do something like 25 Thursday, 100 Friday &amp;amp; Saturday, 75 Sunday. (These, of course, are not&lt;br /&gt;
hard numbers, play with them based on your own needs and feedback.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Hotel-based Events====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the very least, you should make sure there&#039;s a good gathering place for attendees to sit&lt;br /&gt;
around, drink, and socialize at any time of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll also want to make sure there&#039;s an appropriate-sized room for vendors to set up in to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their merchandise. Your best advice for how to handle the vendors&#039; room is going to come from&lt;br /&gt;
any of the vendors that have done at least a few different C* events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-C21, there is a lot of discussion about offering workshops or panels in hopes of drawing a&lt;br /&gt;
larger crowd. Keep in mind that a lot of people will explore the host city instead of attending&lt;br /&gt;
daytime events, so keep that in mind when you consider how much money you&#039;re willing to add&lt;br /&gt;
to your budget for these items. That said, the more options you can give people, the better off&lt;br /&gt;
you&#039;ll be!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Venue===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This will probably be your biggest challenge. You want something close to the hotel (or at least&lt;br /&gt;
close enough that one or two shuttles running back and forth can pick up and drop off&lt;br /&gt;
frequently) and is an appropriate size for the event. If you have bands in a venue built for 3000&lt;br /&gt;
people but only put 300 in there, the sound is going to be off and it&#039;s going to feel empty.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While due consideration should be given while putting together your bid, there is no need to&lt;br /&gt;
have a venue lined up just for bidding purposes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&amp;quot;Unofficial&amp;quot; Events===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By definition, you will not have to plan unofficial events. However, as a local resource, putting&lt;br /&gt;
together information about local things that are customary unofficial events will endear you to&lt;br /&gt;
the fans of that particular event. Additionally, attractions in your area that may be of interest to&lt;br /&gt;
individuals or small groups should be at least superficially collected, and directions to those&lt;br /&gt;
things from the main hotel (by car and transit if available) included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====AGF Tea Party====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If there&#039;s an actual formal tea house someplace in your area, so much the better. Collect&lt;br /&gt;
capacity and reservation information, menus and prices if possible. If not, hotel banquet space&lt;br /&gt;
information, or private event catering in the hotel&#039;s restaurant space has proven useful in the&lt;br /&gt;
past. Typical turnouts for this are about 15% of total attendees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
====Corpgoth Dinner====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A list of restaurants that are large enough and in the &amp;quot;fine dining&amp;quot; category should be made&lt;br /&gt;
available. When compiling the list, be aware that the Corpgoth Dinner is usually attended by&lt;br /&gt;
about 30% of the total attendees, so total seating in the establishment should be no less than&lt;br /&gt;
60-75% of your total attendees. When looking at cost for meals, main courses in the US$20-$30&lt;br /&gt;
range with expected total prices of $45-60 per person should be considered ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;This pages explains and describes the timeline for determining who will put on future alt.gothic Convergences℠ and where they will be. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==What Is alt.gothic Convergence℠?==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Convergence]]℠ is explained on it&#039;s own page, but [[The_C*B*L | we]] feel it&#039;s worth reiterating the core purpose here. [[alt.gothic]] [[Convergence]]℠ is the annual party put on by the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] for the denizens of [[alt.gothic]] and ALL their friends. It has grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of [[net.goth]]s from around the globe and their friends squish into a single city for a weekend of socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bid Selection Process==&lt;br /&gt;
There are 3 steps to getting a bid chosen to be a [[Convergence]]:&lt;br /&gt;
# Candidate teams submit [[Bids]].&lt;br /&gt;
# [[The C*B*L]] and The People&amp;amp;trade; discuss and vet the [[bids]] to ensure they are within the bounds of reason&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;We may well look askance at a bid that looked like [http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/ Glastonbury] for example&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and fulfill the requirements.&lt;br /&gt;
# The voters [[Voting | vote]] for the bid they want to go to.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The events occur on the dates laid out in the [[timeline]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Disclaimer==&lt;br /&gt;
This is the official timeline. It is not necessarily how things WILL work, but how they SHOULD. Keep an eye on alt.gothic, alt.gothic.convergence and this website for updates to this information. We are not getting paid to do this and we do have day jobs so sometimes shit happens.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;Timetable&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
==[[C28|Convergence 28]] Timetable==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!! &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now for the message you&#039;ve all been waiting for! It&#039;s time, once again, to throw your bats in the ring and start submitting any proposal you may have for [[C28|Convergence number 28]]!  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Email  [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet ]] at ashbet@gmail.com or shoot a private Facebook message to Andi Pants and we can help you get on the way to a glorious party.  [[The C*B*L]] exists to help! If you have any questions, ask ask ask.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The timeline for [[C28]] bid proposal and voting goes like this&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Sunday March 1 2026===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Submission Deadline&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By this date, Bidding Committees must have submitted their Bid Proposals and preliminary event budgets to [[The C*B*L]] for inclusion on the ballot. They will have a web account set up on altgothic.com to host their proposal web sites and site credentials will be sent to bid committees.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
See the [[Bids]] page for information on how to create and submit a Convergence proposal. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that the person that submits the bid will be the point of contact with [[The C*B*L]]. Any references to a Committee Chair in the process refer to that person.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Sunday March 8 2026===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Bids Go Live&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding Committees should post their Bid Proposals to the alt.gothic.* news groups and they may open their web sites to the public. Posting to regional mailing lists, web communities, blogs, social media etc. is acceptable but not essential.  If you don&#039;t have a newsfeed that can access alt.gothic, [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/topics?hl=en Google] can help you out. (It would be in the bid&#039;s BEST INTERESTS to post everywhere! [https://www.facebook.com/groups/altgothicconvergence Convergence FB group], [https://www.facebook.com/groups/alt.gothic/ altgothic FB group], [http://convergence.livejournal.com/profile LJ], Tumblr, Twitter, anywhere and everywhere you can think of!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion Begins&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
The denizens of alt.gothic discuss their ideals and reservations regarding the bids. Committees answer questions. Bids may be rejected by consensus if they do not please the people, although they are no longer required to be specifically ratified. Bids and bid websites may be updated during this period, but changes should be clearly noted (perhaps a separate clarifications page or a changelog, or announced to the public via Facebook/alt.gothic). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Saturday March 14 2026===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion Period Ends&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Speak now or forever shut it! &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Bidding Committees may no longer make any changes to their bids and the proposal websites are frozen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Sunday March 15 2026===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Voting Period Begins&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Voting opens at MIDNIGHT UTC and proceeds into Sunday. That means it opens at Saturday 8 PM US EDT, 5 PM PDT.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rock the vote!! The people decide!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Want to vote but can&#039;t remember the URL? &lt;br /&gt;
Here it is: http://www.altgothic.com/voter/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You no longer need a key! All instructions are on the page but contact support@altgothic.com if you have trouble. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Sunday March 22 2026===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Voting Period Ends&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Voting closes at MIDNIGHT UTC from Sunday. That means it closes at Sunday 8 PM US EDT, 5 PM PDT. US voters will find voting closed if they attempt Sunday evening.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Results will be reviewed and tallied.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Monday March 23 2026===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Committees Notified of Results&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The C*B*L notifies the Chairs of the bids of the results.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
After the winners have accepted:&lt;br /&gt;
EVERYONE KNOWS! &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So now let&#039;s get to work! Throw your mittens around your kittens and away we go!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Looking forward to an excellent bidding season!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==The Selected Bid==&lt;br /&gt;
The selected bid will be announced following the closing of voting and verification of the counted votes. At that time, an announcement will be posted to the alt.gothic.* news groups and [altgothic.com]. The authority for planning and execute one Convergence in accordance with the published proposal along with permission to use the Convergence service mark subject to [[The C*B*L]]&#039;s ongoing approval will then be transferred to the selected committee.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Previous Convergence Bid Selection Timelines==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Previous Timelines]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Footnotes==&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Convergence ==&lt;br /&gt;
This is most likely why you are here. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bidding and Voting for Convergence 28 will be announced shortly, we&#039;re trying to get our shit together.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[C27|Convergence 27]] was held in Denver, CO, in August of 2025.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[C26|Convergence 26]] may someday be in Louisville, KY. It also may be the Convergence that wasn&#039;t, having been put on unfortunate pandemic hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Further updates can be found in [[Convergence_News]], and on other websites.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Information about past Convergences can be found on the [[Convergence]] page.  Links to sites with photos from past Convergences can be found under [[Gallery_sites]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you are looking to VOTE, register to vote, anything to do with voting, please go back three spaces, I mean [http://www.altgothic.com/voter/ go directly to the voter page].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== So What&#039;s This All About Then Anyway? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;The [[alt.gothic]] wiki&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt; also known as &#039;&#039;alt.gothic&#039;s Wiki featuring Axel (Where Sloot and kest Write All the Pages and Do All the Work)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wherein we explain what [[alt.gothic]] and its well loved child [[Convergence]] are all about, how they work, who did what to whom, where, when &amp;amp; how. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Possibly with [[Gallery sites | incriminating pictures]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This isn&#039;t [http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] so don&#039;t write the way you would there. Check out the [[Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide]] for how to do things, or just write. The result is likely the same.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Brought to you in part by: &lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet]] - Chief Bullseye, herds the goths, does the talking, gets all the shit, doesn&#039;t get appreciated. &lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Carrie_Monster | Carrie Monster]] - Bullseye on hiatus&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] in aeternum&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:TroubleConsultant | TroubleConsultant]] makes the tech go, attempts to fill Peter&#039;s shoes.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:kest | kest]] is avian.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Jola | Jola]] is a jerk but she does stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:spacekadt | Spacekadt]] is helpful.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Sloot | sloot]] - runs around editing shit without thinking or asking for approval.&lt;br /&gt;
and others who stay in the shadows. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Retirees:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Axel | Axel]] - retired from being the Bullseye to spend more time with his [[Better Martini]] collection, but occasionally pops in to edit things, like a less hairy [[User:Sloot | sloot]]!&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] - retired from being the Bullseye to better save her incipient geezerhood.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Macross | Macross]] - retired from being the Bullseye to learn about the birds, the bees and barbecued meat.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Xthlc | Xthlc]] - handed the reins to Macross.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Consult the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User&#039;s Guide] for information on using the wiki software.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Getting started ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce MediaWiki release mailing list]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== CONvergence SF Con ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For information about the science fiction convention CONvergence held annually in Minnesota, please visit the [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence-con ] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Welcome to &#039;&#039;AltgothicWiki&#039;&#039;!&#039;&#039;&#039; We hope you will contribute much and well. &lt;br /&gt;
You&#039;ll probably want to read the [[Help:Contents|help pages]]. Again, welcome and have fun! [[User:Hellsop|Hellsop]] 15:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Trouble Consultant, regular convergence attendee since C5, corpgoth. Drinker of scotches, maker of cocktails, flier of airplanes, user of tools. Lives in Milwaukee, widower of KendraManyCats. Generally amicable, but allowances must be made for grieving.&lt;br /&gt;
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Grew into gothiness in adulthood, after being dragged to the local goth watering hole. Discovered my people there.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<updated>2025-09-10T21:05:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TroubleConsultant: Created page with &amp;quot;/* All CSS here will be loaded for users of the Vector skin */ body {     background-color: #f0f0f0;  /* light gray */ }&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>So We Know Who The Hell We Are</title>
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&lt;div&gt;so we know who the hell we are.&lt;br /&gt;
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43&lt;br /&gt;
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Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)            &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A Dominy-Cusraque = [[User:A. Dominy-Cusraque|A. Dominy-Cusraque]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai&lt;br /&gt;
* Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia&lt;br /&gt;
* Adrian Bott = [[Cavalorn]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)&lt;br /&gt;
* Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi&lt;br /&gt;
* Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie&lt;br /&gt;
* Algernon Wilde = Algernon33&lt;br /&gt;
* Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay&lt;br /&gt;
* Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org&lt;br /&gt;
* Amanda MK = Nokturna&lt;br /&gt;
* Amber Drake = Darkamber&lt;br /&gt;
* Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston&lt;br /&gt;
* Amelia G = AmeliaG&lt;br /&gt;
* Amy Lerner = November&lt;br /&gt;
* Amy Montz = Twilight&lt;br /&gt;
* Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl&lt;br /&gt;
* Andi Pants = [[User:Ashbet|Ashbet]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Andrew Robertson = [[User:erithromycin|erithromycin]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne&lt;br /&gt;
* Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi&lt;br /&gt;
* Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat&lt;br /&gt;
* Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild&lt;br /&gt;
* Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais&lt;br /&gt;
* Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless&lt;br /&gt;
* Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]&lt;br /&gt;
* B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl&lt;br /&gt;
* Becky Alice = Kallisti&lt;br /&gt;
* Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana&lt;br /&gt;
* Ben Browning = ~Empty&lt;br /&gt;
* Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster&lt;br /&gt;
* Bethany Shorb = dethany&lt;br /&gt;
* Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite&lt;br /&gt;
* Bob Perye = [[User:Macross|Macross]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Bob Rosenberg = Bob&lt;br /&gt;
* Bob Westphal = TheOneBob&lt;br /&gt;
* Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran&lt;br /&gt;
* Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth&lt;br /&gt;
* Brian VonSoffel = styggian&lt;br /&gt;
* Bruce Tucker = Endymion&lt;br /&gt;
* Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama&lt;br /&gt;
* Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote&lt;br /&gt;
* Carie Ann = Absinthea&lt;br /&gt;
* Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short&lt;br /&gt;
* Carrie Gough = [[User:Carrie Monster|CarrieMonster]] :)&lt;br /&gt;
* Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird&lt;br /&gt;
* Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon&lt;br /&gt;
* Chad Roberts = erich zann&lt;br /&gt;
* Charles Gru = [[Gruamach]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe&lt;br /&gt;
* Charlotte Wise = galatea&lt;br /&gt;
* Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab&lt;br /&gt;
* Cheryl Wallace = hnybny&lt;br /&gt;
* Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel&lt;br /&gt;
* Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_&lt;br /&gt;
* Christopher Anderson = zastur&lt;br /&gt;
* Christopher Gillen = darkseraph&lt;br /&gt;
* Coal Room = [[Papa_Pan| Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa &#039;97-98ish)&lt;br /&gt;
* Dag Wästberg = [[Dag]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Dan Wisnosky = Satori&lt;br /&gt;
* Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover&lt;br /&gt;
* Daniel Stern = ph0ebus&lt;br /&gt;
* David Craig = mole&lt;br /&gt;
* David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul&lt;br /&gt;
* David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva&lt;br /&gt;
* David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity&lt;br /&gt;
* Daymion Browning = schadowsfall&lt;br /&gt;
* Dayo Steph = Dayo&lt;br /&gt;
* Dese&#039;Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don&#039;t even remember.)&lt;br /&gt;
* Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia&lt;br /&gt;
* DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths&lt;br /&gt;
* Donna Raphael = [[Lady Greycat]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Donna S Jones = Angldst&lt;br /&gt;
* Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir&lt;br /&gt;
* Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey&lt;br /&gt;
* Dwayne Linde = C-ko&lt;br /&gt;
* Ed Johnson = [[EdVamp]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation&lt;br /&gt;
* Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment&lt;br /&gt;
* Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor&lt;br /&gt;
* Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl&lt;br /&gt;
* Elin Bekkebråten Sjølie = lunacia&lt;br /&gt;
* Elizabeth Earl = LizBet&lt;br /&gt;
* Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.&lt;br /&gt;
* Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-&lt;br /&gt;
* Elyse Reardon = mercifl1&lt;br /&gt;
* Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel&lt;br /&gt;
* Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden&lt;br /&gt;
* Eriel Bea Eriel B. = &amp;quot;Lady Le&#039;Stat&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;Madame of Fuck&amp;quot; /&amp;quot;HeLLBeLLe&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;HellBelle&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade&lt;br /&gt;
* Erin Nelson = nimue&lt;br /&gt;
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch&lt;br /&gt;
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch&lt;br /&gt;
* Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong&lt;br /&gt;
* Fanny Titball = Angeldye&lt;br /&gt;
* Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah&lt;br /&gt;
* Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy&lt;br /&gt;
* Fross = [[User:Fross|Fross]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth&lt;br /&gt;
* Garrett Scott = Lasher&lt;br /&gt;
* Gary Thrasher = Eboe&lt;br /&gt;
* Glenn Olson = Kaos&lt;br /&gt;
* Greg Anderson = Banshee&lt;br /&gt;
* Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth&lt;br /&gt;
* Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org&lt;br /&gt;
* Heather = Gothdiva1&lt;br /&gt;
* Heather Browning = Gothdiva1&lt;br /&gt;
* Heather Cromarty = Panic&lt;br /&gt;
* Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch&lt;br /&gt;
* Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose&lt;br /&gt;
* Hester Duffy = hduffy&lt;br /&gt;
* Hilda Marshall I&#039;m Columbine&lt;br /&gt;
* Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal&lt;br /&gt;
* J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr&lt;br /&gt;
* Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace&lt;br /&gt;
* Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline&lt;br /&gt;
* Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK&lt;br /&gt;
* Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika&lt;br /&gt;
* Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot&lt;br /&gt;
* Jeff Blanks = Panurge&lt;br /&gt;
* Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds&lt;br /&gt;
* Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful&lt;br /&gt;
* Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell&lt;br /&gt;
* Jennifer Brown = [[oddlystrange]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Jennifer Dowling = Satan&#039;s Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)&lt;br /&gt;
* Jennifer Szczublewski = &#039;Seph&lt;br /&gt;
* Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)&lt;br /&gt;
* Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet&lt;br /&gt;
* Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)&lt;br /&gt;
* Joe DeVore = Psyanocide&lt;br /&gt;
* John Colbert = Spud&lt;br /&gt;
* John Wirtz = Cave Shark&lt;br /&gt;
* Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe&lt;br /&gt;
* Jola Kupferer = [[User:Jola|Jolarocknolla]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Josh Greenwalt =Destri&lt;br /&gt;
* Judith Darnell = empressjad&lt;br /&gt;
* Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez&lt;br /&gt;
* Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee&lt;br /&gt;
* Julie Hruby = BlackIce&lt;br /&gt;
* Julie Noire = LadyNoir&lt;br /&gt;
* Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily&lt;br /&gt;
* Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came &amp;amp; departed as a Shadow)&lt;br /&gt;
* Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou&lt;br /&gt;
* Kate Blackthorne = ChaChaKate&lt;br /&gt;
* Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby&lt;br /&gt;
* Keith McMillan = [[User:Keith McMillan|Keith McMillan]], Trouble Consultant, KeithOfNoLJ&lt;br /&gt;
* Kelly O&#039;Hara = rhithyn&lt;br /&gt;
* Kest Viator = [[User:kest|kest]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Kevin Zygmontas = Inox&lt;br /&gt;
* Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope&lt;br /&gt;
* Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)&lt;br /&gt;
* Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...&lt;br /&gt;
* Kris Dow = “the quiet one”&lt;br /&gt;
* Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin&lt;br /&gt;
* Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere&lt;br /&gt;
* Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge&lt;br /&gt;
* Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel&lt;br /&gt;
* Lauren Sidwell = Basinke&lt;br /&gt;
* Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine&lt;br /&gt;
* Lee Baldwin = enigma&lt;br /&gt;
* Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep&lt;br /&gt;
* Leopold - Neek Oo&lt;br /&gt;
* Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl&lt;br /&gt;
* Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus&lt;br /&gt;
* Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl&lt;br /&gt;
* Liz Heckenberg = redcountess&lt;br /&gt;
* Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour&lt;br /&gt;
* Louise Gilmour = [[Tetsab]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Louise Nickerson = Icicle&lt;br /&gt;
* Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias&lt;br /&gt;
* Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne&lt;br /&gt;
* Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God&lt;br /&gt;
* Mari Assefa - Jetzebel&lt;br /&gt;
* Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon&lt;br /&gt;
* Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon&lt;br /&gt;
* Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)&lt;br /&gt;
* Evelyn Kiera Ivanova = Dragon&lt;br /&gt;
* Mary MacCormack = Seo&lt;br /&gt;
* Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit&lt;br /&gt;
* Matt McKeon = [[User:Xthlc|Xthlc]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Matthew Forbes = Nytwind&lt;br /&gt;
* Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah&lt;br /&gt;
* Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1&lt;br /&gt;
* Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen&lt;br /&gt;
* Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl&lt;br /&gt;
* Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph&lt;br /&gt;
* Michael Anderburg = maggot&lt;br /&gt;
* Michael Randall = dgener8&lt;br /&gt;
* Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.&lt;br /&gt;
* Michael Verzani = Literati&lt;br /&gt;
* Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr&lt;br /&gt;
* Micol Hiatt = Dymentia&lt;br /&gt;
* Miška Kazda = MsChaos&lt;br /&gt;
* Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional&lt;br /&gt;
* Mylissa Prisner = Ashen&lt;br /&gt;
* Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx&lt;br /&gt;
* Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge&lt;br /&gt;
* Nate Hill = NGB&lt;br /&gt;
* NeekO = Nightfly&lt;br /&gt;
* Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar&lt;br /&gt;
* Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan&lt;br /&gt;
* Owen Maresh = [[User:Oonh|oonh]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Patrice Hawkes-Reed = [[GothPat]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Paul Gresock = Trid&lt;br /&gt;
* Peter Caffin = Synic&lt;br /&gt;
* Peter H. Coffin = [[User:Hellsop|Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Rachel Nix = Madame Archel&lt;br /&gt;
* Ramon Arjona = Archer&lt;br /&gt;
* Raven H. Sun = Raven&lt;br /&gt;
* Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie&lt;br /&gt;
* Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus&lt;br /&gt;
* Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9&lt;br /&gt;
* Rebekah Murphy = Bekah&lt;br /&gt;
* Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie&lt;br /&gt;
* Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands&lt;br /&gt;
* Richard Anthony Wilber = [[Jack]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Rick Morisco = Xandraius&lt;br /&gt;
* Ridley McIntyre = Piglet&lt;br /&gt;
* Rob Havelt = dasfiregod&lt;br /&gt;
* Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago&lt;br /&gt;
* Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu&lt;br /&gt;
* Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)&lt;br /&gt;
* Rudy T Baegga = [[User:sloot|sloot]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)&lt;br /&gt;
* Ryan Gill = Montieth&lt;br /&gt;
* S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid&lt;br /&gt;
* SailorGloom = [[User:DJ SailorGloom|Infofreako]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Sande Chen = Sande&lt;br /&gt;
* Sandrine Scialdone = argotht&lt;br /&gt;
* Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia&lt;br /&gt;
* Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = [[User:Scary Lady Sarah|~Scary Lady Sarah~]] / ~SLS~&lt;br /&gt;
* Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex&lt;br /&gt;
* Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90&#039;s) Kuroneko (00&#039;s)&lt;br /&gt;
* Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction&lt;br /&gt;
* Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia&lt;br /&gt;
* Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie&lt;br /&gt;
* Shi Bradley = Midnyte&lt;br /&gt;
* Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)&lt;br /&gt;
* Siobhan NiLoughlin = [[User:Siobhan|Siobhan NiLoughlin]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Sola Balisane = [[User:Sola|Sola Balisane]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Stacy Wright = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow&lt;br /&gt;
* Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte&lt;br /&gt;
* Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember&lt;br /&gt;
* Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia&lt;br /&gt;
* Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie&lt;br /&gt;
* Steve Gustafson = [[IHCOYC XPICTOC]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Stevil Chemsit = [[JV]], The Evil Chemist, Johnny99&lt;br /&gt;
* Stu Chisholm = Stu&lt;br /&gt;
* Stuart Crawford = [[Potatojunkie]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)&lt;br /&gt;
* Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins&lt;br /&gt;
* Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA&lt;br /&gt;
* Tarik Dozier = Osiris&lt;br /&gt;
* Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana&lt;br /&gt;
* Teresa Dickert = [[User:Geekers|Geekers]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman&lt;br /&gt;
* Thomas Parkin = [[Albatross]], St. Albatross&lt;br /&gt;
* Timly Grae = [[User:Timly grae|Timly Grae]], overboming/daddygoth overboming&lt;br /&gt;
* timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi&lt;br /&gt;
* TinaPop = txxxpxx&lt;br /&gt;
* Tom Busha = Stypica&lt;br /&gt;
* Toni Scandella = Antonio&lt;br /&gt;
* Tony Lee = Arcanus&lt;br /&gt;
* Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)&lt;br /&gt;
* Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23&lt;br /&gt;
* Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242&lt;br /&gt;
* Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins&lt;br /&gt;
* Voron Erich Xarya = [[Voron]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea&lt;br /&gt;
* Wendy Ashmun = wendolen&lt;br /&gt;
* Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn&lt;br /&gt;
* Will Evans = Rat Bastard&lt;br /&gt;
* Will Isenhour = [[User:TSM|TSM]]&lt;br /&gt;
* William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)&lt;br /&gt;
* Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe&lt;br /&gt;
* Yosa Addiss = Yosa&lt;br /&gt;
* Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, [[Greylock]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security&lt;br /&gt;
* バット カウント = [[Count Von Sexbat|Sexbat]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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