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Alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1 beta

2017-10-01T23:16:39Z

Erithromycin:

alt.[[Gothic | gothic]] FAQ v4.0.0.1beta

The first rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "Do Not Question The Version Number"
The second rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "No Movie References"

==About This FAQ ==
===This FAQ seems incomplete! Is anyone working on updating the FAQ? ===
[[kest]] is.
====What about questions that aren't in this FAQ? ====
*First - Look in an older FAQ. [link goes here]
*Second - Search [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/topics Google Groups]
*Third - Ask.
====Can I help write the FAQ? ====
Yes.
==About Goth==
===What is [[Goth]]? ===
*A post-punk movement.
*An aesthetic
*A musical genre
*A fashion style
*A philosophy
*'The whole Goth thing for me is a state of mind. An admittance that you're not the same as the people who work in Barclays Bank and you'll never really subscribe to the idea that you'll do a day job and come home to watch Big Brother.' - Lee Chaos
*'To me, at least, the goth isn't a lifestyle, or a wardrobe or even identity. It simply *is*, and there's not a darned thing I can do change it. The only difference between me now and me at age nine is that now I buy my own clothes, so things just happen to end up being bought in black instead of other colors. It just turns out that way.' - [[Peter H. Coffin]]
*"It's a state of mind. And was invented by Lord Byron. On absinthe." - David Gerard
*I don't care as long as there's a really cute one sitting on my face.
===Is X goth? ===
It might be, but there are enough definitions that you'll be wrong.
====A list of things that are GAF====

====Is emo goth? ====
*No. There are some stylistic similarities, but the two are distinct.
*Emo could be argued as a successor to goth, but history and common sense say otherwise.
=====What is emo? =====
*"Goth minus the fucking"
===What kinds of goths are there?===
For a fairly small subculture, goth subdivides many ways. Here is an incomplete list:
*mopeygoth
*perkygoth
*cybergoth
*victorian goth

N.B. This list is intentionally incomplete. Any attempt to definitively list all subdivisions is doomed to failure.
==About alt.gothic==
===What is a net.goth?===
net.goth n. One (goth) who, having access to usenet, both posts to alt.gothic and wants to be known as a 'net.goth'.

While today many people would like to spread the term to include all goths that hang out on the internet, the first use of the term with any serious intention was as a means for the denizens of alt.gothic to identify each other IRL, going hand in hand with the first t-shirts, stickers, etc. Amusingly, some amount of consideration was put into whether 'cybergoth' would be a better term - cybergoth now means something completely and entirely different. ("Round here CyberGoth would be mistaken for CyberPunk. CyberPunks are anorak-wearing-startrek-watching-mud-playing-no-lifers. MHO, net.goth would be more 'obscure' (which is good)" - The Grim Reaper, 1993) See above under 'types of goths' for more information about the current usage of 'cybergoth'.
===What is alt.gothic?===
Alt.gothic is a newsgroup devoted to discussion of various aspects of the so-called ≥gothic≤ subculture and its people. The vast majority of the discussion that goes on isn't "gothic" per se, but deals with death and weirdness--or anything of interest to us. We're a tight-knit group, but newcomers are always welcome as long as they follow a few guidelines as explained in this FAQ.
===How do I post to alt.gothic?===
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/topics?hl=en
===Do you bite?===
*Yes, we do bite, and we like it best if you enjoy it
<BR>
It disrupts the natural order of conversation, and it causes crabs.
===Why can't I top-post? ===
It's a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
====Crabs? That doesn't seem... ====
===Why are people flaming/ignoring me? ===
They felt like it.
====Why are people insulting me for no good reason?====
They're not. Someone at some point will have, probably extremely politely, explained to you what you are doing wrong and you didn't listen. Go look for it
====Why is Peter H. Coffin being bitchy and petulant towards me?====
Because he can. Deal.

====Why is Peter Constantine celebrating and encouraging those who break social conventions and objecting to those who proclaim their existence?====
'Cos that's what he does. It's a social convention built up over time.
Ironic, innit?

Also, although he likes to deny it in public he is part of the 'we' on behalf of whom some claim to be posting. He lurks in e-mail, doncha know *wink*

===Do you have any other advice for me then? ===
Trim your posts. Attribute correctly. Lurk. Introduce yourself at some point, it seems to be popular. Buckle up. Wear nice boots.
===How can I identify a net.goth?===
You might find them at various net.goth friendly events, such as [[Convergence]], [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]], or [[Wave Gotik Treffen]]. They might be wearing a net.goth logo, but then again they might not.
===Where can I get a net.goth logo?===
There are several different net.goth logos. It seems like currently the best place to download them is from here: http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Images/misc-image.html These images (should be) public domain but non-subscribers are discouraged from using them.
==About ...Other Stuff==
===How do I know if I have a beautiful heart?===
Rub the magic Albatross, of course.
===Is it true that ejaculation diminishes one's power?===

===Tell me about Poppy Z. Brite's nipples...===

===Could a 20 pound note be inserted into a urethra?===
There is evidence to this effect, yes.

Erithromycin

2011-06-02T20:09:24Z

Erithromycin:

Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Redacted' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he CENSORED. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith used to share a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.
# Erith is 74% Wood Fibre. The other 26% has been variously identified as 'vitriol', 'jesus', 'tea' and other things that seemed funny at the time.
# Erith keeps getting stuck in Edit Wars with [[Godot]], usually involving redirect pages.
# Erith is the original designer of the [[agLET]] system.

Erithromycin

2011-06-02T20:09:01Z

Erithromycin:

Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Redacted' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he CENSORED. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith shares a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.
# Erith is 74% Wood Fibre. The other 26% has been variously identified as 'vitriol', 'jesus', 'tea' and other things that seemed funny at the time.
# Erith keeps getting stuck in Edit Wars with [[Godot]], usually involving redirect pages.
# Erith is the original designer of the [[agLET]] system.

Alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1 beta

2009-08-04T23:45:07Z

Erithromycin:

alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1beta

The first rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "Do Not Question The Version Number"
The second rule of alt.gothic FAQ is "No Movie References"

==About This FAQ ==
===This FAQ seems incomplete! Is anyone working on updating the FAQ? ===
[[kest]] is.
====What about questions that aren't in this FAQ? ====
*First - Look in an older FAQ. [link goes here]
*Second - Search [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/topics Google Groups]
*Third - Ask.
====Can I help write the FAQ? ====
Yes.
==About Goth==
===What is goth? ===
*A post-punk movement.
*An aesthetic
*A musical genre
*A fashion style
*A philosophy
*'The whole Goth thing for me is a state of mind. An admittance that you're not the same as the people who work in Barclays Bank and you'll never really subscribe to the idea that you'll do a day job and come home to watch Big Brother.' - Lee Chaos
*'To me, at least, the goth isn't a lifestyle, or a wardrobe or even identity. It simply *is*, and there's not a darned thing I can do change it. The only difference between me now and me at age nine is that now I buy my own clothes, so things just happen to end up being bought in black instead of other colors. It just turns out that way.' - [[Peter H. Coffin]]
*"It's a state of mind. And was invented by Lord Byron. On absinthe." - David Gerard
*I don't care as long as there's a really cute one sitting on my face.
===Is X goth? ===
It might be, but there are enough definitions that you'll be wrong.
====A list of things that are GAF====

====Is emo goth? ====
*No. There are some stylistic similarities, but the two are distinct.
*Emo could be argued as a successor to goth, but history and common sense say otherwise.
=====What is emo? =====
*"Goth minus the fucking"
===What kinds of goths are there?===
For a fairly small subculture, goth subdivides many ways. Here is an incomplete list:
*mopeygoth
*perkygoth
*cybergoth
*victorian goth

N.B. This list is intentionally incomplete. Any attempt to definitively list all subdivisions is doomed to failure.
==About alt.gothic==
===What is a net.goth?===
net.goth n. One (goth) who, having access to usenet, both posts to alt.gothic and wants to be known as a 'net.goth'.

While today many people would like to spread the term to include all goths that hang out on the internet, the first use of the term with any serious intention was as a means for the denizens of alt.gothic to identify each other IRL, going hand in hand with the first t-shirts, stickers, etc. Amusingly, some amount of consideration was put into whether 'cybergoth' would be a better term - cybergoth now means something completely and entirely different. ("Round here CyberGoth would be mistaken for CyberPunk. CyberPunks are anorak-wearing-startrek-watching-mud-playing-no-lifers. MHO, net.goth would be more 'obscure' (which is good)" - The Grim Reaper, 1993) See above under 'types of goths' for more information about the current usage of 'cybergoth'.
===What is alt.gothic?===
Alt.gothic is a newsgroup devoted to discussion of various aspects of the so-called ≥gothic≤ subculture and its people. The vast majority of the discussion that goes on isn't "gothic" per se, but deals with death and weirdness--or anything of interest to us. We're a tight-knit group, but newcomers are always welcome as long as they follow a few guidelines as explained in this FAQ.
===How do I post to alt.gothic?===
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/topics?hl=en
===Do you bite?===
*Yes, we do bite, and we like it best if you enjoy it
<BR>
It disrupts the natural order of conversation, and it causes crabs.
===Why can't I top-post? ===
It's a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
====Crabs? That doesn't seem... ====
===Why are people flaming/ignoring me? ===
They felt like it.
====Why are people insulting me for no good reason?====
They're not. Someone at some point will have, probably extremely politely, explained to you what you are doing wrong and you didn't listen. Go look for it
====Why is Peter H. Coffin being bitchy and petulant towards me?====
Because he can. Deal.

====Why is Peter Constantine celebrating and encouraging those who break social conventions and objecting to those who proclaim their existence?====
'Cos that's what he does. It's a social convention built up over time.
Ironic, innit?

Also, although he likes to deny it in public he is part of the 'we' on behalf of whom some claim to be posting. He lurks in e-mail, doncha know *wink*

===Do you have any other advice for me then? ===
Trim your posts. Attribute correctly. Lurk. Introduce yourself at some point, it seems to be popular. Buckle up. Wear nice boots.
===How can I identify a net.goth?===
You might find them at various net.goth friendly events, such as [[Convergence]], [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]], or [[Wave Gotik Treffen]]. They might be wearing a net.goth logo, but then again they might not.
===Where can I get a net.goth logo?===
There are several different net.goth logos. It seems like currently the best place to download them is from here: http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Images/misc-image.html These images (should be) public domain but non-subscribers are discouraged from using them.
==About ...Other Stuff==
===How do I know if I have a beautiful heart?===
Rub the magic Albatross, of course.
===Is it true that ejaculation diminishes one's power?===

===Tell me about Poppy Z. Brite's nipples...===

===Could a 20 pound note be inserted into [[Erithromycin | erithromycin]]'s urethra?===
There is evidence to this effect, yes.

Erithromycin

2008-08-28T22:29:05Z

Erithromycin:

Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Urethromycin' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he inserted a twenty pound note into his urethra. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith shares a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.
# Erith is 74% Wood Fibre. The other 26% has been variously identified as 'vitriol', 'jesus', 'tea' and other things that seemed funny at the time.
# Erith keeps getting stuck in Edit Wars with [[Godot]], usually involving redirect pages.

Anyone else

2008-08-28T02:14:59Z

Erithromycin: Redirecting to User:Axel

#REDIRECT [[User:Axel]]

Anyone else

2008-08-28T02:14:10Z

Erithromycin: Redirecting to Axel

#REDIRECT [[Axel]]

Anyone else

2008-08-28T02:12:27Z

Erithromycin: New page: REDIRECT Axel

REDIRECT [[Axel]]

Erithromycin

2008-08-21T03:30:20Z

Erithromycin:

Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Urethromycin' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he inserted a twenty pound note into his urethra. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith shares a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.
# Erith is 74% Wood Fibre. The other 26% has been variously identified as 'vitriol', 'jesus', 'tea' and other things that seemed funny at the time.

Erithromycin

2008-08-21T03:15:52Z

Erithromycin:

Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Urethromycin' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he inserted a twenty pound note into his urethra. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith shares a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.
# Erith is 74% Wood Fiber. The other 26% has been variously identified as 'vitriol', 'jesus', 'tea' and other things that seemed funny at the time.

SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST

2008-08-21T02:46:43Z

Erithromycin: Redirecting to Scientific Facts

#REDIRECT [[Scientific Facts]]

Scientific Facts

2008-08-21T02:46:04Z

Erithromycin: New page: Scientific Facts are, as the name suggests, Facts that are Scientific. Most Scientific Facts relate to proper posting etiquette on alt.gothic. Scientific Facts are discovered and publicis...

Scientific Facts are, as the name suggests, Facts that are Scientific. Most Scientific Facts relate to proper posting etiquette on alt.gothic.

Scientific Facts are discovered and publicised by the [[Scientific Factologist]]. [[Erithromycin]] currently holds the post. He is assisted in this task by [[Hobbes The Science Crab]].

== Scientific Facts ==

This is a list of Scientific Facts. It is not exhaustive. The numbering system is unclear, but may relate to the [[alt.gothronomicon]].

I. Top-posting causes crabs.

II. Excessive quoting makes you look like a campus socialist.

III. Missing attribution is like blackout sex. It makes it hard to determine what came from where.

IV. Posting binaries causes giant crabs.

V. HTML posts cause crabs that won't display in some pubic hair.

VI. Cross-posting causes lobsters.

VII. The Golden Age is a myth.

VIII. Wikipedia is a crab holding a message in a bottle. It's easily broken, usually wet, and it smells a little fishy.

XIX. Sexbat

Scientific Fact

2008-08-21T02:34:43Z

Erithromycin: Redirecting to Scientific Facts

#REDIRECT [[Scientific Facts]]

Scientific Factologist

2008-08-21T02:34:04Z

Erithromycin: Redirecting to Scientific Facts

#REDIRECT [[Scientific Facts]]

Erithromycin

2008-08-21T02:27:12Z

Erithromycin:

Always one of the group's more provocative posters, Erithromycin (known as 'Erith' for short) is best known as the creator of [[Se7en]], a feat which earned him the outright hatred of some former regulars. He is a [[Glasgoth]] and regularly attends the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]]; he has also been to a [[Convergence]].

ERITH FACTS

# Erith has had snail mail addressed to him as 'Mr. Romycin'.
# Erith is sometimes refered to as 'Urethromycin' because at a party at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]] of April 2008 he inserted a twenty pound note into his urethra. He kept the money as he had won the bet and spent it on food and drink for a subsequent net.goth party.
# Erith is not a member of the [[net.goth.INQUISITION]] but he does dig their cool uniforms.
# Erith is an expert. It says so right here.
# Erith is notably useless at determining if people are flirting with him.
# Erith shares a flat with [[siani]] in Glasgow.
# Erith is alt.gothic's resident [[SCIENTIFIC FACTOLOGIST]], much as [[Dag]] is the newsgroup's resident [[MATHEMOLOGISER]]
# Erith drinks tea.

User:Erithromycin

2008-08-20T03:06:20Z

Erithromycin: Redirecting to Erithromycin

#REDIRECT [[Erithromycin]]

Siani

2008-08-20T03:04:14Z

Erithromycin:

Siani first started posting to alt.gothic when she was just fourteen. She was then noted for her hedgehog .sig. Originally from Canada, she now lives in Scotland and has now moved to Glasgow to share a house with [[Erithromycin]]. She is a regular at the [[Whitby Gothic Weekend]].

Erithromycin

2008-08-20T03:03:11Z

Erithromycin:

User:Axel

2008-08-20T02:59:43Z

Erithromycin:

# Invented [[alt.gothic]] back in the day.
# Decided that a 3 day party in a different city every year would make his life a lot more fun & provide a great reason for road trips.
# Set up [[The C*B*L]] (the 'A's are stars 'cos he's '''that''' important).
# Has an abiding love for footnoting his posts.
# "taken out of context, it's an alarming [X], but at the end of a more completely fleshed out [Y], it seems fine to me" is how Axel is defined in the [[alt.gothronomicon]]
# At Convergence is very often the guy dressed in black at the bar drinking the black drink<ref>[[Axel]] drinks both kinds of alcohol - Stout, Porter, and Free.</ref>.

Note: This biography is certified to meet [http://www.colbertnation.com/ Stephen Colbert] standards of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness truthiness].

<references />

Net.goth

2008-08-20T02:40:46Z

Erithromycin: /* Taglines and Catch-phrases */

A net.goth is a goth that participates in online communitites. Originally (and perhaps, properly), this is one who participates in the [news:alt.gothic | alt.gothic] newsgroup, but the term has expanded through wear to include participants in various mailings lists, irc channels, [http://www.livejournal.com | LiveJournal] communities, [http://www.facebook.com | Facebook], [http://www.myspace.com | MySpace], etc.

Membership is largely self-inflicted.

== Convergence Bid ==

For the purpose of putting on a Convergence bid, being a net.goth requires Having Access to Usenet and Knowing How To Use It. Facebook and MySpace just don't cut it.
'Cos we're crusty & old school and shit.

== Identification ==

Various symbols and taglines are used to identify net.goths to one another.

=== Artwork ===

[[image:Aircrash_netgoth_title.gif]]

[[Aircrash]] netgoth page title image

[[image:Aircrash_lotibo.jpg‎]]

[[Aircrash]] "Log On, Tune In, Burn Out" image

[[image:Aircrash_bat0.gif‎]]

[[image:Aircrash_Grid-Bat1.gif]]

[[image:Aircrash_wings.gif]]

[[image:Aircrash_Grid-Bat2.gif]]

[[image:Aircrash_Faust.gif]]

=== Taglines and Catch-phrases ===

TRENDY BARBIE DOLL IN BLACK

LOG ON. TUNE IN. BURN OUT

HTML and EPHEDRINE

Give me money!
Give me sex!
Give me food,
and net access!

Nice Boots. Wanna Fuck?

Erithromycin

2008-07-22T01:22:32Z

Erithromycin: updated with the mystery of the £20