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Convergence

2022-05-01T20:46:22Z

Axel:

alt.gothic Convergence is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of alt.gothic and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of net.goths from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.

It started out in 1994 when the regular posters on [[alt.gothic]] decided that meeting up was a good idea.

Since then, every year a bunch of people from different cities put together [[Bids | bids]] to host the thing (I pity the fool...). The bids are then [[Voting | voted]] on, and the winner gets the job of doing all the work so that the rest of us can have fun (some people have a strange definition of 'win')

Some of the [http://altgothic.com/priorbids.php old bids] have survived.

Some of the attendees put pictures on the internet. [http://altgothic.com/faqs/galleries.php Take a look.]

The official drink is a [[Better Martini]]. Just in case you were wondering.

Communication about convergence officially happens on this Wiki, [[alt.gothic]], the [[Afterglow]] mailing list, [https://www.facebook.com/groups/168159947361 the Convergence Facebook group], the [http://community.livejournal.com/convergence/profile Convergence LiveJournal Community], it rough order of officialness. During the event, and for a small window around it, [http://twitter.com/convergtwit ConvergTwit] twitter account is used for communication of changes in locations and schedules, calls for public aid, ad hoc events, etc.



===Future Convergence===
The [[C26 | Convergence XXVI]] vote was won by the Kentucky bid [http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf].

The event is being postponed until the pandemic is under control because we are sensible people.

Updates will posted on here, [news:alt.gothic alt.gothic], on the book of face, and other places.

===Usenet - why do we still use it?===

Usenet is old, unloved and barely used. Nearly all the net.goths have moved on to newer, shiny places like FB, LJ, Reddit, Twitter, Tumblr, Myspace, etc., etc. so you may want to know why we insist on keeping the alt.gothic Usenet group as the official home of C*.

There are four major reasons:

# History. That's where we started, it's our home. In these days of constant change a bit of continuity is a good thing.
# Usenet is a distributed network, not a proprietary website. It can't disappear overnight. The corporation that owns it can't delete the group or prevent people from accessing it.
# You don't have to give a corporation private information to access it.
# [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] doesn't have to run a Forum on this website for us to hold the discussions on.

===LiveJournal===

the [[https://convergence.livejournal.com/ Convergence Livejournal group] was very popular in it's time. [http://altgothic.com/convergence_lj.pdf here] is a PDF of it as of 2022-04-30.

===Previous Convergences===
*[[C25 | Convergence XXV - Boston, MA]]
*[[C24 | Convergence XXIV - Detroit, MI]]
*[[C23 | Convergence XXIII - Dallas, TX]]
*[[C22 | Convergence XXII - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C21 | Convergence XXI - Hollywood, CA]]
*[[C20 | Convergence XX - Chicago, IL]]
*[[C19 | Convergence XIX - Austin, TX]]
*[[C18 | Convergence XVIII - Buffalo, NY]]
*[[C17 | Convergence XVII - Cozumel, Mexico]]
*[[C16 | Convergence XVI - Park City, UT]]
*[[C15 | Convergence XV - Long Beach, CA]]
*[[C14 | Convergence XIV - Ybor City (Tampa), FL]]
*[[C13 | Convergence XIII - Portland, OR]]
*[[C12 | Convergence XII - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C11 | Convergence XI - San Diego, CA]]
*[[C10 | Convergence X - Chicago, IL]]
*[[C9 | Convergence IX - Las Vegas, NV]]
*[[C8 | Convergence VIII - Montreal, QC]]
*[[C7 | Convergence VII - New York City, NY]]
*[[C6 | Convergence VI - Seattle, WA]]
*[[C5 | Convergence V - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C4 | Convergence IV - Toronto, ON]]
*[[C3 | Convergence III - San Francisco, CA]]
*[[C2 | Convergence II - Boston, MA]]
*[[C1 | Convergence I - Chicago, IL]]

==Other Convergi==
Convergence has been used as a name for a few other gatherings
* [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence SF Con]. A yearly SF convention in Bloomington, MN
* [http://www.weavespindye.org/ HGA Convergence] A biennial international conference sponsored by the Handweavers Guild of America

==Links==
[[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] had a reasonable summary of many Convergences [http://www.virulent.org/converg4/past.html on her website].
But then A Bad Thing happened, and all the data was lost forever.

Convergence

2022-02-27T22:04:21Z

Axel: /* Previous Convergences */

alt.gothic Convergence is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of alt.gothic and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of net.goths from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.

It started out in 1994 when the regular posters on [[alt.gothic]] decided that meeting up was a good idea.

Since then, every year a bunch of people from different cities put together [[Bids | bids]] to host the thing (I pity the fool...). The bids are then [[Voting | voted]] on, and the winner gets the job of doing all the work so that the rest of us can have fun (some people have a strange definition of 'win')

Some of the [http://altgothic.com/priorbids.php old bids] have survived.

Some of the attendees put pictures on the internet. [http://altgothic.com/faqs/galleries.php Take a look.]

The official drink is a [[Better Martini]]. Just in case you were wondering.

Communication about convergence officially happens on this Wiki, [[alt.gothic]], the [[Afterglow]] mailing list, [https://www.facebook.com/groups/168159947361 the Convergence Facebook group], the [http://community.livejournal.com/convergence/profile Convergence LiveJournal Community], it rough order of officialness. During the event, and for a small window around it, [http://twitter.com/convergtwit ConvergTwit] twitter account is used for communication of changes in locations and schedules, calls for public aid, ad hoc events, etc.



===Future Convergence===
The [[C26 | Convergence XXVI]] vote was won by the Kentucky bid [http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf].

The event is being postponed until the pandemic is under control because we are sensible people.

Updates will posted on here, [news:alt.gothic alt.gothic], on the book of face, and other places.

===Usenet - why do we still use it?===

Usenet is old, unloved and barely used. Nearly all the net.goths have moved on to newer, shiny places like FB, LJ, Reddit, Twitter, Tumblr, Myspace, etc., etc. so you may want to know why we insist on keeping the alt.gothic Usenet group as the official home of C*.

There are four major reasons:
[list]
# History. That's where we started, it's our home. In these days of constant change a bit of continuity is a good thing.
# Usenet is a distributed network, not a proprietary website. It can't disappear overnight. The corporation that owns it can't delete the group or prevent people from accessing it.
# You don't have to give a corporation private information to access it.
# [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] doesn't have to run a Forum on this website for us to hold the discussions on.
[/list]

===Previous Convergences===
*[[C25 | Convergence XXV - Boston, MA]]
*[[C24 | Convergence XXIV - Detroit, MI]]
*[[C23 | Convergence XXIII - Dallas, TX]]
*[[C22 | Convergence XXII - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C21 | Convergence XXI - Hollywood, CA]]
*[[C20 | Convergence XX - Chicago, IL]]
*[[C19 | Convergence XIX - Austin, TX]]
*[[C18 | Convergence XVIII - Buffalo, NY]]
*[[C17 | Convergence XVII - Cozumel, Mexico]]
*[[C16 | Convergence XVI - Park City, UT]]
*[[C15 | Convergence XV - Long Beach, CA]]
*[[C14 | Convergence XIV - Ybor City (Tampa), FL]]
*[[C13 | Convergence XIII - Portland, OR]]
*[[C12 | Convergence XII - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C11 | Convergence XI - San Diego, CA]]
*[[C10 | Convergence X - Chicago, IL]]
*[[C9 | Convergence IX - Las Vegas, NV]]
*[[C8 | Convergence VIII - Montreal, QC]]
*[[C7 | Convergence VII - New York City, NY]]
*[[C6 | Convergence VI - Seattle, WA]]
*[[C5 | Convergence V - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C4 | Convergence IV - Toronto, ON]]
*[[C3 | Convergence III - San Francisco, CA]]
*[[C2 | Convergence II - Boston, MA]]
*[[C1 | Convergence I - Chicago, IL]]

==Other Convergi==
Convergence has been used as a name for a few other gatherings
* [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence SF Con]. A yearly SF convention in Bloomington, MN
* [http://www.weavespindye.org/ HGA Convergence] A biennial international conference sponsored by the Handweavers Guild of America

==Links==
[[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] had a reasonable summary of many Convergences [http://www.virulent.org/converg4/past.html on her website].
But then A Bad Thing happened, and all the data was lost forever.

Convergence News

2021-11-30T15:22:43Z

Axel: /* Convergence 26 */

This page is for news about [[Convergence]]. A large portion of it is dictated by the [[Timeline]].

=[[C26|Convergence 26]]=

Vote results:

Louisville, Kentucky, USA: 80 
Toronto, Ontario, Canada: 55 
The Pants of Boo: 1

[[C26]] was planned for Louisville, May 15-17, 2020.
It's been delayed due to the pandemic. Updates when they happen.

=Convergence 25=

[[Convergence 25]] Boston May 3-5th 2019
http://www.altgothic.com/c25bos/

=Convergence 24=

[[C24]] Detroit 2018

=Convergence 23=

[[C23]]: Dallas

=Convergence 22=

C22: New Orleans March 25th-28th
http://www.altgothic.com/c22nol

[[C22 | Convergence XXII]]

=Convergence 21=
C21: Hollywood May 1-3 2015
http://www.altgothic.com/c21hol

==August 12, 2014==

Bids:

[http://www.altgothic.com/c21nol/ Dr. Frank N Furter (scientist) and friends present New Orleans, LA]

[http://www.altgothic.com/c21hol/ Miss Stasha, Voodoo and friends present Hollywood, California]

[http://www.altgothic.com/voter/index.php Voting] has begun.

=Convergence 20=
C20: Chicago 2014
[[C20 | Convergence XXII]]
==June 16 2013==

Bids:

[http://www.altgothic.com/c20was/ Washington DC] 
[http://www.altgothic.com/c20chi/ Chicago IL]

==June 2 2013==
[[Timeline]] page has been updated with dates for C20 bids and voting.

=Convergence 19=
C19: Austin Tx April 19-21 2013
http://www.gatheringovbats.net/

=Convergence 18=
==Feb 29, 2012==
C18: Buffalo June 15 - 17, 2012.
http://www.altgothic.com/c18buf/

==June 17, 2011==
We have a bid - [[Razorjak]] [[Digital Enigma]] and [[DJ Storm]] present [[C18_Buffalo | Buffalo, NY]].
June, 2012 Buffalo, NY. It'll be great.

==April 28, 2011==
Anyone want to bid?
I really don't want to have to go to Boo's Pants ya know.

=Convergence 17=
==April 11, 2010==
THe votes are in. Cozumel, Mexico will be the site for Convergence in 2011.

==November 30, 2009==
The [[Timeline]] for the C17 Bid Selection process is up

=Convergence 16=

==April 3, 2009==

Unsurprisingly, Parks City, Utah won the vote.
67 for Park City
17 for Boo's Pants

==March 22, 2009==

One bid has been recieved this year - [[Madelyn Boudreaux]] and [[Wookie]] present [[C16_utah_bid | Park City, Utah]].

As per the [[Timeline]] = ratification ends at midnight tonight.
Voting begins on March 26th and runs to April 2nd.
Pings have been sent to the voter database, so if you haven't recieved one, post to [[alt.gothic]] right away.

==September 07, 2008==
Bid proposal's for Convergence 16 should be submitted to Siobhan between the 7th and 28th of February 2008. Details are in the [[Timeline]] and [[Bids]] pages.

=Convergence 15=

==September 03, 2008==
The vote results are in. Eilis, Laura and Shannon's Convergence on a Ship, a Fucking Ship mind you Bid in Long Beach, CA won decisively with 63% of the first round votes.

For some reason the table showing the votes insists on being at the bottom of the page. I'm sure someone with better Wiki-Fu than me will fix it up eventually.

{| border=1
|+
== C15 Vote Results ==

|-
!Bid !!1st Round Votes !!2nd Round Votes
|-
|Boo's Pants || 3 || 18
|-
|Long Beach, CA ||104 ||43
|-
|Omaha, NE ||16 ||59
|-
|Seattle, WA ||40 ||34
|}

==August 26, 2008==
All three bids were ratified, time was allowed to clarify the websites and now it is time to [http://altgothic.com/voter vote]

== August 19, 2008 ==
Added 3 days to the process to allow bid committees to update their bid sites at the end of Ratification and for the C*B*L to validate that the changes are appropriate.

== August 13, 2008 ==
Proposal submission and modification is over.
Bids have been recieved from
* [http://www.altgothic.com/c15omaha alt.gothic's Finest featuring Axel for Omaha]
* [http://www.altgothic.com/c15longbeach Eilis, Laura Spacekadt and Shannon Eveofdstruction for Longbeach].
* [http://www.altgothic.com/c15seattle Carlee Noxenlux, Kerry Designmonkey, Erica Vomvamuse, Robert DJ Sprockets and Mike Wimer of MusicWerks for Seattle]

Now it is time for the denizens of alt.gothic to ratify the proposals.

== August 10, 2008 ==
The process for selecting who will host Convergence has changed. A new step has been added whereby the denizens of alt.gothic and their friends will [[ratification | ratify]] all [[bids]] prior to them being submitted to the [[voting | vote]].

== Interim ==
[[http://www.altgothic.com/c15longbeach Long Beach]], [http://www.altgothic.com/wiki/index.php/C15_omaha_bid | Omaha] and [[http://www.altgothic.com/c15seattle Seattle]] have entered bids.

== Sometime in July 2008 ==
The [[C15]] selection process is underway.
See the [[Main Page]] for more.

C26

2021-11-30T15:21:45Z

Axel:

Convergence 26 was supposed to happen on May 15-17, 2020, in Louisville, Kentucky but then there was a Pandemic so it's been delayed until it's safe for us to gather again.
Be there or be less black. Or more blue.

==The Bids==
* Toronto, Ontario, Canada http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/
* Louisville, Kentucky, USA http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/
* [[Boo%27s_pants | Boo's Pants]]

==The Voting==

Results:

Kentucky: 80 
Toronto: 55 
Boo's Pants: 1

==The Committee==
* [[User:Tarik Dozier | Tarik Dozier]]
* [[User:Kim Bell | Kim Bell]]
* [[User:Brian Drabant | Brian Drabant]]
* [[User:Lisa Frye | Lisa Frye]]
* [[User:Matt Kokas | Matt Kokas]]
* [[User:Edwin Ramirez | Edwin Ramirez]]
* [[User:Scary Lady Sarah | Scary Lady Sarah]]

==Others Not Officially On Committee But Who Were Invaluable In Their Help==

==The Drama==

The Covid Pandemic has delayed the event for about two years.

Sonsombre were on the original bill but then it came to light that Brandon S. Prybus (the owner of the band) is a card carrying white supremacist so it was removed 'cos [[Goth is Political]], and we don't hold with racists.

==The Party==

===The Bands===

===The DJs===

===Vendors===

===The Official Events===

===The Unofficial Events===

==The Photos==

User talk:Cory C Lunde

2021-11-30T15:21:04Z

Axel: Welcome!

'''Welcome to ''AltgothicWiki''!''' We hope you will contribute much and well.
You'll probably want to read the [[Help:Contents|help pages]]. Again, welcome and have fun! [[User:Axel|Axel]] 15:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Cory C Lunde

2021-11-30T15:21:04Z

Axel: Creating user page with biography of new user.

I was a part of alt.gothic and all of the sub-trees in the early to mid 1990's. Real life and the demise of Usenet saw me fall away from the fold. I was posting at the time as either "MadCat" or "MadCatUSA" (I can't recall for certain which it was...)

User talk:Alex Wright

2021-09-25T16:47:01Z

Axel: Welcome!

User:Alex Wright

2021-09-25T16:47:01Z

Axel: Creating user page with biography of new user.

Based in Toronto, well a suburb of anyway, I love the goth culture. I have attended festivals overseas as sadly the subculture in Toronto is pathetic.
My favorite festival is Castle Party in Poland.
Would love to meet like minded locally but I know very few. In fact, the only other people in Toronto that like the scene, I met in Poland.
Even the wife just tolerates my passion. :)

User talk:Amber J Mercer Emslie

2021-09-25T16:45:24Z

Axel: Welcome!

User:Amber J Mercer Emslie

2021-09-25T16:45:23Z

Axel: Creating user page with biography of new user.

I used to be in this newsgroup in the 90s and early 2000s. Now I miss the old days. Looking to see any familiar faces. I'm a 40yo freelance artist living in Salem MA with my family and 4 cats. My favorite bands are The Cure, Love and Rockets, VNV Nation, and NMA. I paint, make clothing, and cast resin.

User:Axel

2021-06-06T01:02:33Z

Axel: /* BiographyThis biography is certified to meet Stephen Colbert standards of truthiness. */

== Biography<ref>This biography is certified to meet [http://www.colbertnation.com/ Stephen Colbert] standards of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness truthiness].</ref>==

# Invented [[alt.gothic]] back in the day.
# Decided that a 3 day party in a different city every year would make his life a lot more fun & provide a great reason for road trips and thus [[Convergence]] was born.
# Set up [[The C*B*L]] (the 'A's are stars 'cos he's '''that''' important).
# Has an abiding love for footnoting<ref>This wiki had footnoting functionality added specially to accomodate this predeliction</ref> his posts.
# "taken out of context, it's an alarming [X], but at the end of a more completely fleshed out [Y], it seems fine to me" is how Axel is defined in the [[alt.gothronomicon]]
# At Convergence is very often the guy dressed in [[Teal|black]] at the bar drinking the black drink<ref>[[Axel]] drinks both kinds of alcohol - Gin Martini, Stout, Porter, and Free.</ref>.
# Axel has a funny accent. Ask him to say "aluminum," "jaguar," or especially "urinal."
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==Footnotes<ref>See what I mean</ref>==
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Goth is Political

2021-05-15T18:28:04Z

Axel:

Some people don't think that Goth is political, but they are wrong. While it isn't as blatant as the Punk Rock scene that it came out of, politics has always been part of the Goth scene.

If you want to learn more, watch & listen to this video by Obscura Undead and [[User:Mistress McCutchan|Mistress McCutchan]].

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuAZZCiXkYg Tales From The Goth Side: Goth is Political with DJ Mistress McCutchan]

User:DJ Mistress McCutchan

2021-05-15T18:27:35Z

Axel: User:DJ Mistress McCutchan moved to User:Mistress McCutchan

#REDIRECT [[User:Mistress McCutchan]]

User:Mistress McCutchan

2021-05-15T18:27:35Z

Axel: User:DJ Mistress McCutchan moved to User:Mistress McCutchan

* A [https://www.mixcloud.com/mistressmccutchan/stream/ phenomenal DJ] from New York City, NY, USA who lives in Toronto, ON, Canada.

* Chair of the [[C26]] [http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/ Toronto] bid.

User:Mistress McCutchan

2021-05-15T18:27:16Z

Axel: New page: * A [https://www.mixcloud.com/mistressmccutchan/stream/ phenomenal DJ] from New York City, NY, USA who lives in Toronto, ON, Canada. * Chair of the C26 [http://www.altgothic.com/c26to...

Goth is Political

2021-05-15T18:24:08Z

Axel: New page: Some people don't think that Goth is political, but they are wrong. While it isn't as blatant as the Punk Rock scene that it came out of, politics has always been part of the Goth scene. ...

Some people don't think that Goth is political, but they are wrong. While it isn't as blatant as the Punk Rock scene that it came out of, politics has always been part of the Goth scene.

If you want to learn more, watch & listen to this video by Obscura Undead and [[User:DJ Mistress McCutchan|Mistress McCutchan]].

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuAZZCiXkYg Tales From The Goth Side: Goth is Political with DJ Mistress McCutchan]

C26

2021-05-15T18:18:13Z

Axel: /* The Drama */

Convergence 26 will supposed to happen on May 15-17, 2020, in Louisville, Kentucky but then there was a Pandemic so it's been delayed until it's safe for us to gather again.
Be there or be less black. Or more blue.

==The Bids==
* Toronto, Ontario, Canada http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/
* Louisville, Kentucky, USA http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/
* [[Boo%27s_pants | Boo's Pants]]

==The Voting==

Results:

Kentucky: 80 
Toronto: 55 
Boo's Pants: 1

==The Committee==
* [[User:Tarik Dozier | Tarik Dozier]]
* [[User:Kim Bell | Kim Bell]]
* [[User:Brian Drabant | Brian Drabant]]
* [[User:Lisa Frye | Lisa Frye]]
* [[User:Matt Kokas | Matt Kokas]]
* [[User:Edwin Ramirez | Edwin Ramirez]]
* [[User:Scary Lady Sarah | Scary Lady Sarah]]

==Others Not Officially On Committee But Who Were Invaluable In Their Help==

==The Drama==

The Covid Pandemic has delayed the event for about two years.

Sonsombre were on the original bill but then it came to light that Brandon S. Prybus (the owner of the band) is a card carrying white supremacist so it was removed 'cos [[Goth is Political]], and we don't hold with racists.

==The Party==

===The Bands===

===The DJs===

===Vendors===

===The Official Events===

===The Unofficial Events===

==The Photos==

C26

2021-05-15T18:14:41Z

Axel:

Convergence 26 will supposed to happen on May 15-17, 2020, in Louisville, Kentucky but then there was a Pandemic so it's been delayed until it's safe for us to gather again.
Be there or be less black. Or more blue.

==The Bids==
* Toronto, Ontario, Canada http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/
* Louisville, Kentucky, USA http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/
* [[Boo%27s_pants | Boo's Pants]]

==The Voting==

Results:

Kentucky: 80 
Toronto: 55 
Boo's Pants: 1

==The Committee==
* [[User:Tarik Dozier | Tarik Dozier]]
* [[User:Kim Bell | Kim Bell]]
* [[User:Brian Drabant | Brian Drabant]]
* [[User:Lisa Frye | Lisa Frye]]
* [[User:Matt Kokas | Matt Kokas]]
* [[User:Edwin Ramirez | Edwin Ramirez]]
* [[User:Scary Lady Sarah | Scary Lady Sarah]]

==Others Not Officially On Committee But Who Were Invaluable In Their Help==

==The Drama==

The Covid Pandemic has delayed the event for about two years.

==The Party==

===The Bands===

===The DJs===

===Vendors===

===The Official Events===

===The Unofficial Events===

==The Photos==

Main Page

2021-05-15T18:13:10Z

Axel: /* Convergence */

== Convergence ==
This is most likely why you are here.

[[C26|Convergence 26]] will be in Louisville, KY after the pandemic, when it's safe for lots of people to gather in relatively small spaces and breathe at each other again. Hopefully that will be in 2022.

http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/

Further updates can be found in [[Convergence_News]], and on other websites.

Information about past Convergences can be found on the [[Convergence]] page. Links to sites with photos from past Convergences can be found under [[Gallery_sites]].

If you are looking to VOTE, register to vote, anything to do with voting, please go back three spaces, I mean [http://www.altgothic.com/voter/ go directly to the voter page].

== So What's This All About Then Anyway? ==
<big>'''The [[alt.gothic]] wiki'''</big> also known as ''alt.gothic's Wiki featuring Axel (Where Sloot Writes All the Pages and Does All the Work)''

Wherein we explain what [[alt.gothic]] and its well loved child [[Convergence]] are all about, how they work, who did what to whom, where, when & how.

Possibly with [[Gallery sites | incriminating pictures]].

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* [[User:Carrie_Monster | Carrie Monster]] - Chief Bullseye, herds the goths, does the talking, gets all the shit, doesn't get appreciated.
* [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] - Makes the technology go.
* [[User:kest | kest]] is avian.
* [[User:Jola | Jola]] is a jerk but she does stuff.
* [[User:spacekadt | Spacekadt]] is helpful.
* [[User:Sloot | sloot]] - runs around editing shit without thinking or asking for approval.
* [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet]] - retired Bullseye

Retirees:
* [[User:Axel | Axel]] - retired from being the Bullseye to spend more time with his [[Better Martini]] collection, but occasionally pops in to edit things, like a less hairy [[User:Sloot | sloot]]!
* [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] - retired from being the Bullseye to better save her incipient geezerhood.
* [[User:Macross | Macross]] - retired from being the Bullseye to learn about the birds, the bees and barbecued meat.
* [[User:Xthlc | Xthlc]] - handed the reins to Macross.

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== CONvergence SF Con ==

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== Notes ==
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So We Know Who The Hell We Are

2021-04-15T14:25:43Z

Axel:

so we know who the hell we are.
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43

Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)

* A Dominy-Cusraque = [[User:A. Dominy-Cusraque|A. Dominy-Cusraque]].
* Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai
* Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia
* Adrian Bott = [[Cavalorn]]
* Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)
* Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi
* Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie
* Algernon Wilde = Algernon33
* Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay
* Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org
* Amanda MK = Nokturna
* Amber Drake = Darkamber
* Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston
* Amelia G = AmeliaG
* Amy Lerner = November
* Amy Montz = Twilight
* Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl
* Andi Pants = [[User:Ashbet|Ashbet]]
* Andrew Robertson = [[User:erithromycin|erithromycin]]
* Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne
* Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi
* Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat
* Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild
* Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais
* Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless
* Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]
* B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl
* Becky Alice = Kallisti
* Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana
* Ben Browning = ~Empty
* Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster
* Bethany Shorb = dethany
* Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite
* Bob Perye = [[User:Macross|Macross]]
* Bob Rosenberg = Bob
* Bob Westphal = TheOneBob
* Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran
* Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth
* Brian VonSoffel = styggian
* Bruce Tucker = Endymion
* Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama
* Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote
* Carie Ann = Absinthea
* Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short
* Carrie Gough = [[User:Carrie Monster|CarrieMonster]] :)
* Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird
* Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon
* Chad Roberts = erich zann
* Charles Gru = [[Gruamach]]
* Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe
* Charlotte Wise = galatea
* Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab
* Cheryl Wallace = hnybny
* Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel
* Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_
* Christopher Anderson = zastur
* Christopher Gillen = darkseraph
* Coal Room = [[Papa_Pan| Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan]]
* Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa '97-98ish)
* Dag Wästberg = [[Dag]]
* Dan Wisnosky = Satori
* Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover
* Daniel Stern = ph0ebus
* David Craig = mole
* David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul
* David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva
* David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity
* Daymion Browning = schadowsfall
* Dayo Steph = Dayo
* Dese'Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don't even remember.)
* Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia
* DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths
* Donna Raphael = [[Lady Greycat]]
* Donna S Jones = Angldst
* Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir
* Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey
* Dwayne Linde = C-ko
* Ed Johnson = [[EdVamp]]
* Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation
* Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment
* Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor
* Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl
* Elin Bekkebråten Sjølie = lunacia
* Elizabeth Earl = LizBet
* Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.
* Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-
* Elyse Reardon = mercifl1
* Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel
* Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden
* Eriel Bea Eriel B. = "Lady Le'Stat"/"Madame of Fuck" /"HeLLBeLLe"/"HellBelle"
* Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade
* Erin Nelson = nimue
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong
* Fanny Titball = Angeldye
* Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah
* Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy
* Fross = [[User:Fross|Fross]]
* Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth
* Garrett Scott = Lasher
* Gary Thrasher = Eboe
* Glenn Olson = Kaos
* Greg Anderson = Banshee
* Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth
* Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org
* Heather = Gothdiva1
* Heather Browning = Gothdiva1
* Heather Cromarty = Panic
* Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch
* Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose
* Hester Duffy = hduffy
* Hilda Marshall I'm Columbine
* Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal
* J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr
* Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace
* Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline
* Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK
* Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika
* Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot
* Jeff Blanks = Panurge
* Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
* Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful
* Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell
* Jennifer Brown = [[oddlystrange]]
* Jennifer Dowling = Satan's Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)
* Jennifer Szczublewski = 'Seph
* Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)
* Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet
* Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)
* Joe DeVore = Psyanocide
* John Colbert = Spud
* John Wirtz = Cave Shark
* Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe
* Jola Kupferer = [[User:Jola|Jolarocknolla]]
* Josh Greenwalt =Destri
* Judith Darnell = empressjad
* Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez
* Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee
* Julie Hruby = BlackIce
* Julie Noire = LadyNoir
* Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily
* Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came & departed as a Shadow)
* Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou
* Kate Blackthorne = ChaChaKate
* Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby
* Kelly O'Hara = rhithyn
* Kest Viator = [[User:kest|kest]]
* Kevin Zygmontas = Inox
* Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope
* Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)
* Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...
* Kris Dow = “the quiet one”
* Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin
* Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere
* Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge
* Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel
* Lauren Sidwell = Basinke
* Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine
* Lee Baldwin = enigma
* Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep
* Leopold - Neek Oo
* Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl
* Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus
* Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl
* Liz Heckenberg = redcountess
* Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour
* Louise Gilmour = [[Tetsab]]
* Louise Nickerson = Icicle
* Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias
* Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne
* Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God
* Mari Assefa - Jetzebel
* Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon
* Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon
* Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)
* Evelyn Kiera Ivanova = Dragon
* Mary MacCormack = Seo
* Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit
* Matt McKeon = [[User:Xthlc|Xthlc]]
* Matthew Forbes = Nytwind
* Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah
* Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1
* Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen
* Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl
* Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph
* Michael Anderburg = maggot
* Michael Randall = dgener8
* Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.
* Michael Verzani = Literati
* Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr
* Micol Hiatt = Dymentia
* Miška Kazda = MsChaos
* Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional
* Mylissa Prisner = Ashen
* Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx
* Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge
* Nate Hill = NGB
* NeekO = Nightfly
* Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar
* Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan
* Owen Maresh = [[User:Oonh|oonh]]
* Patrice Hawkes-Reed = [[GothPat]]
* Paul Gresock = Trid
* Peter Caffin = Synic
* Peter H. Coffin = [[User:Hellsop|Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)]]
* Rachel Nix = Madame Archel
* Ramon Arjona = Archer
* Raven H. Sun = Raven
* Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie
* Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus
* Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9
* Rebekah Murphy = Bekah
* Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie
* Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands
* Richard Anthony Wilber = [[Jack]]
* Rick Morisco = Xandraius
* Ridley McIntyre = Piglet
* Rob Havelt = dasfiregod
* Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago
* Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu
* Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)
* Rudy T Baegga = [[User:sloot|sloot]]
* Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)
* Ryan Gill = Montieth
* S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid
* SailorGloom = [[User:DJ SailorGloom|Infofreako]]
* Sande Chen = Sande
* Sandrine Scialdone = argotht
* Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia
* Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = [[User:Scary Lady Sarah|~Scary Lady Sarah~]] / ~SLS~
* Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex
* Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90's) Kuroneko (00's)
* Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction
* Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia
* Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie
* Shi Bradley = Midnyte
* Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)
* Siobhan NiLoughlin = [[User:Siobhan|Siobhan NiLoughlin]]
* Sola Balisane = [[User:Sola|Sola Balisane]]
* Stacy Wright = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow
* Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte
* Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember
* Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia
* Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie
* Steve Gustafson = [[IHCOYC XPICTOC]]
* Stevil Chemsit = [[JV]], The Evil Chemist, Johnny99
* Stu Chisholm = Stu
* Stuart Crawford = [[Potatojunkie]]
* Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)
* Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins
* Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA
* Tarik Dozier = Osiris
* Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana
* Teresa Dickert = [[User:Geekers|Geekers]]
* Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman
* Thomas Parkin = [[Albatross]], St. Albatross
* Timly Grae = [[User:Timly grae|Timly Grae]], overboming/daddygoth overboming
* timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi
* TinaPop = txxxpxx
* Tom Busha = Stypica
* Toni Scandella = Antonio
* Tony Lee = Arcanus
* Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)
* Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23
* Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242
* Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins
* Voron Erich Xarya = [[Voron]]
* Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea
* Wendy Ashmun = wendolen
* Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn
* Will Evans = Rat Bastard
* Will Isenhour = [[User:TSM|TSM]]
* William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)
* Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe
* Yosa Addiss = Yosa
* Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, [[Greylock]]
* Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security
* バットカウント = [[Count Von Sexbat|Sexbat]]

So We Know Who The Hell We Are

2021-04-15T14:22:29Z

Axel:

so we know who the hell we are.
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43

Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)

* A Dominy-Cusraque = [[User:A. Dominy-Cusraque|A. Dominy-Cusraque]].
* Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai
* Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia
* Adrian Bott = [[Cavalorn]]
* Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)
* Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi
* Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie
* Algernon Wilde = Algernon33
* Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay
* Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org
* Amanda MK = Nokturna
* Amber Drake = Darkamber
* Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston
* Amelia G = AmeliaG
* Amy Lerner = November
* Amy Montz = Twilight
* Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl
* Andi Pants = [[User:Ashbet|Ashbet]]
* Andrew Robertson = [[User:erithromycin|erithromycin]]
* Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne
* Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi
* Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat
* Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild
* Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais
* Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless
* Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]
* B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl
* Becky Alice = Kallisti
* Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana
* Ben Browning = ~Empty
* Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster
* Bethany Shorb = dethany
* Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite
* Bob Perye = [[User:Macross|Macross]]
* Bob Rosenberg = Bob
* Bob Westphal = TheOneBob
* Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran
* Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth
* Brian VonSoffel = styggian
* Bruce Tucker = Endymion
* Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama
* Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote
* Carie Ann = Absinthea
* Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short
* Carrie Gough = [[User:Carrie Monster|CarrieMonster]] :)
* Stacy Wright = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow
* Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird
* Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon
* Chad Roberts = erich zann
* Charles Gru = [[Gruamach]]
* Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe
* Charlotte Wise = galatea
* Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab
* Cheryl Wallace = hnybny
* Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel
* Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_
* Christopher Anderson = zastur
* Christopher Gillen = darkseraph
* Coal Room = [[Papa_Pan| Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan]]
* Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa '97-98ish)
* Dag Wästberg = [[Dag]]
* Dan Wisnosky = Satori
* Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover
* Daniel Stern = ph0ebus
* David Craig = mole
* David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul
* David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva
* David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity
* Daymion Browning = schadowsfall
* Dayo Steph = Dayo
* Dese'Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don't even remember.)
* Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia
* DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths
* Donna Raphael = [[Lady Greycat]]
* Donna S Jones = Angldst
* Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir
* Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey
* Dwayne Linde = C-ko
* Ed Johnson = [[EdVamp]]
* Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation
* Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment
* Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor
* Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl
* Elizabeth Earl = LizBet
* Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.
* Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-
* Elyse Reardon = mercifl1
* Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel
* Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden
* Eriel Bea Eriel B. = "Lady Le'Stat"/"Madame of Fuck" /"HeLLBeLLe"/"HellBelle"
* Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade
* Erin Nelson = nimue
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong
* Fanny Titball = Angeldye
* Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah
* Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy
* Fross = [[User:Fross|Fross]]
* Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth
* Garrett Scott = Lasher
* Gary Thrasher = Eboe
* Glenn Olson = Kaos
* Greg Anderson = Banshee
* Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth
* Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org
* Heather = Gothdiva1
* Heather Browning = Gothdiva1
* Heather Cromarty = Panic
* Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch
* Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose
* Hester Duffy = hduffy
* Hilda Marshall I'm Columbine
* Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal
* J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr
* Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace
* Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline
* Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK
* Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika
* Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot
* Jeff Blanks = Panurge
* Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
* Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful
* Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell
* Jennifer Brown = [[oddlystrange]]
* Jennifer Dowling = Satan's Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)
* Jennifer Szczublewski = 'Seph
* Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)
* Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet
* Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)
* Joe DeVore = Psyanocide
* John Colbert = Spud
* John Wirtz = Cave Shark
* Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe
* Jola Kupferer = [[User:Jola|Jolarocknolla]]
* Josh Greenwalt =Destri
* Judith Darnell = empressjad
* Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez
* Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee
* Julie Hruby = BlackIce
* Julie Noire = LadyNoir
* Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily
* Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came & departed as a Shadow)
* Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou
* Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby
* Kelly O'Hara = rhithyn
* Kest Viator = [[User:kest|kest]]
* Kevin Zygmontas = Inox
* Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope
* Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)
* Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...
* Kris Dow = “the quiet one”
* Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin
* Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere
* Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge
* Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel
* Lauren Sidwell = Basinke
* Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine
* Lee Baldwin = enigma
* Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep
* Leopold - Neek Oo
* Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl
* Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus
* Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl
* Liz Heckenberg = redcountess
* Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour
* Louise Gilmour = [[Tetsab]]
* Louise Nickerson = Icicle
* Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias
* Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne
* Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God
* Mari Assefa - Jetzebel
* Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon
* Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon
* Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)
* Evelyn Kiera Ivanova = Dragon
* Mary MacCormack = Seo
* Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit
* Matt McKeon = [[User:Xthlc|Xthlc]]
* Matthew Forbes = Nytwind
* Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah
* Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1
* Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen
* Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl
* Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph
* Michael Anderburg = maggot
* Michael Randall = dgener8
* Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.
* Michael Verzani = Literati
* Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr
* Micol Hiatt = Dymentia
* Miška Kazda = MsChaos
* Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional
* Mylissa Prisner = Ashen
* Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx
* Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge
* Nate Hill = NGB
* NeekO = Nightfly
* Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar
* Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan
* Owen Maresh = [[User:Oonh|oonh]]
* Patrice Hawkes-Reed = [[GothPat]]
* Paul Gresock = Trid
* Peter Caffin = Synic
* Peter H. Coffin = [[User:Hellsop|Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)]]
* Rachel Nix = Madame Archel
* Ramon Arjona = Archer
* Raven H. Sun = Raven
* Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie
* Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus
* Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9
* Rebekah Murphy = Bekah
* Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie
* Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands
* Richard Anthony Wilber = [[Jack]]
* Rick Morisco = Xandraius
* Ridley McIntyre = Piglet
* Rob Havelt = dasfiregod
* Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago
* Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu
* Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)
* Rudy T Baegga = [[User:sloot|sloot]]
* Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)
* Ryan Gill = Montieth
* S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid
* SailorGloom = [[User:DJ SailorGloom|Infofreako]]
* Sande Chen = Sande
* Sandrine Scialdone = argotht
* Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia
* Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = [[User:Scary Lady Sarah|~Scary Lady Sarah~]] / ~SLS~
* Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex
* Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90's) Kuroneko (00's)
* Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction
* Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia
* Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie
* Shi Bradley = Midnyte
* Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)
* Siobhan NiLoughlin = [[User:Siobhan|Siobhan NiLoughlin]]
* Sola Balisane = [[User:Sola|Sola Balisane]]
* Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte
* Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember
* Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia
* Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie
* Steve Gustafson = [[IHCOYC XPICTOC]]
* Stevil Chemsit = [[JV]], The Evil Chemist, Johnny99
* Stu Chisholm = Stu
* Stuart Crawford = [[Potatojunkie]]
* Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)
* Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins
* Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA
* Tarik Dozier = Osiris
* Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana
* Teresa Dickert = [[User:Geekers|Geekers]]
* Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman
* Thomas Parkin = [[Albatross]], St. Albatross
* Timly Grae = [[User:Timly grae|Timly Grae]], overboming/daddygoth overboming
* timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi
* TinaPop = txxxpxx
* Tom Busha = Stypica
* Toni Scandella = Antonio
* Tony Lee = Arcanus
* Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)
* Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23
* Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242
* Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins
* Voron Erich Xarya = [[Voron]]
* Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea
* Wendy Ashmun = wendolen
* Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn
* Will Evans = Rat Bastard
* Will Isenhour = [[User:TSM|TSM]]
* William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)
* Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe
* Yosa Addiss = Yosa
* Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, [[Greylock]]
* Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security
* バットカウント = [[Count Von Sexbat|Sexbat]]

C26

2021-03-31T17:04:34Z

Axel: /* The Committee */

Convergence 26 will happen on May 15-17, 2020, in Louisville, Kentucky.
Be there or be less black. Or more blue.

==The Bids==
* Toronto, Ontario, Canada http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/
* Louisville, Kentucky, USA http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/
* [[Boo%27s_pants | Boo's Pants]]

==The Voting==

Results:

Kentucky: 80 
Toronto: 55 
Boo's Pants: 1

==The Committee==
* [[User:Tarik Dozier | Tarik Dozier]]
* [[User:Kim Bell | Kim Bell]]
* [[User:Brian Drabant | Brian Drabant]]
* [[User:Lisa Frye | Lisa Frye]]
* [[User:Matt Kokas | Matt Kokas]]
* [[User:Edwin Ramirez | Edwin Ramirez]]
* [[User:Scary Lady Sarah | Scary Lady Sarah]]

==Others Not Officially On Committee But Who Were Invaluable In Their Help==

==The Drama==

The Covid Pandemic has delayed the event for about two years.

==The Party==

===The Bands===

===The DJs===

===Vendors===

===The Official Events===

===The Unofficial Events===

==The Photos==

C26

2021-03-31T16:45:23Z

Axel: /* The Bids */

Convergence 26 will happen on May 15-17, 2020, in Louisville, Kentucky.
Be there or be less black. Or more blue.

==The Bids==
* Toronto, Ontario, Canada http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/
* Louisville, Kentucky, USA http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/
* [[Boo%27s_pants | Boo's Pants]]

==The Voting==

Results:

Kentucky: 80 
Toronto: 55 
Boo's Pants: 1

==The Committee==

==Others Not Officially On Committee But Who Were Invaluable In Their Help==

==The Drama==

The Covid Pandemic has delayed the event for about two years.

==The Party==

===The Bands===

===The DJs===

===Vendors===

===The Official Events===

===The Unofficial Events===

==The Photos==

Convergence

2021-03-31T16:44:10Z

Axel: /* Future Convergence */

alt.gothic Convergence is the annual party which was originally put on by the denizens of alt.gothic and has since grown to include members of the myriad Gothic/Industrial online and social media groups it spawned. Hundreds of net.goths from around the globe squish into a single city for a weekend of IRL socializing, booze, musical events and sweet debauchery.

It started out in 1994 when the regular posters on [[alt.gothic]] decided that meeting up was a good idea.

Since then, every year a bunch of people from different cities put together [[Bids | bids]] to host the thing (I pity the fool...). The bids are then [[Voting | voted]] on, and the winner gets the job of doing all the work so that the rest of us can have fun (some people have a strange definition of 'win')

Some of the [http://altgothic.com/priorbids.php old bids] have survived.

Some of the attendees put pictures on the internet. [http://altgothic.com/faqs/galleries.php Take a look.]

The official drink is a [[Better Martini]]. Just in case you were wondering.

Communication about convergence officially happens on this Wiki, [[alt.gothic]], the [[Afterglow]] mailing list, [https://www.facebook.com/groups/168159947361 the Convergence Facebook group], the [http://community.livejournal.com/convergence/profile Convergence LiveJournal Community], it rough order of officialness. During the event, and for a small window around it, [http://twitter.com/convergtwit ConvergTwit] twitter account is used for communication of changes in locations and schedules, calls for public aid, ad hoc events, etc.



===Future Convergence===
The [[C26 | Convergence XXVI]] vote was won by the Kentucky bid [http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf].

The event is being postponed until the pandemic is under control because we are sensible people.

Updates will posted on here, [news:alt.gothic alt.gothic], on the book of face, and other places.

===Usenet - why do we still use it?===

Usenet is old, unloved and barely used. Nearly all the net.goths have moved on to newer, shiny places like FB, LJ, Reddit, Twitter, Tumblr, Myspace, etc., etc. so you may want to know why we insist on keeping the alt.gothic Usenet group as the official home of C*.

There are four major reasons:
[list]
# History. That's where we started, it's our home. In these days of constant change a bit of continuity is a good thing.
# Usenet is a distributed network, not a proprietary website. It can't disappear overnight. The corporation that owns it can't delete the group or prevent people from accessing it.
# You don't have to give a corporation private information to access it.
# [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] doesn't have to run a Forum on this website for us to hold the discussions on.
[/list]

===Previous Convergences===
*[[C25 | Convergence XXV - Boston, MA]]
*[[C24 | Convergence XXIV - Detroit, MI]]
*[[C23 | Convergence XXIII - Dallas, TX]]
*[[C22 | Convergence XXII - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C21 | Convergence XXI - Hollywood, CA]]
*[[C20 | Convergence XX - Chicago, IL]]
*[[C19 | Convergence XIX - Austin, TX]]
*[[C18 | Convergence XVIII - Buffalo, NY]]
*[[C17 | Convergence XVII - Cozumel, Mexico]]
*[[C16 | Convergence XVI - Park City, UT)]]
*[[C15 | Convergence XV - Long Beach, CA)]]
*[[C14 | Convergence XIV - Ybor City (Tampa), FL]]
*[[C13 | Convergence XIII - Portland, OR]]
*[[C12 | Convergence XII - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C11 | Convergence XI - San Diego, CA]]
*[[C10 | Convergence X - Chicago, IL]]
*[[C9 | Convergence IX - Las Vegas, NV]]
*[[C8 | Convergence VIII - Montreal, QC]]
*[[C7 | Convergence VII - New York City, NY]]
*[[C6 | Convergence VI - Seattle, WA]]
*[[C5 | Convergence V - New Orleans, LA]]
*[[C4 | Convergence IV - Toronto, ON]]
*[[C3 | Convergence III - San Francisco, CA]]
*[[C2 | Convergence II - Boston, MA]]
*[[C1 | Convergence I - Chicago, IL]]

==Other Convergi==
Convergence has been used as a name for a few other gatherings
* [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence SF Con]. A yearly SF convention in Bloomington, MN
* [http://www.weavespindye.org/ HGA Convergence] A biennial international conference sponsored by the Handweavers Guild of America

==Links==
[[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] had a reasonable summary of many Convergences [http://www.virulent.org/converg4/past.html on her website].
But then A Bad Thing happened, and all the data was lost forever.

C26

2021-03-31T16:08:40Z

Axel: /* The Drama */

Convergence 26 will happen on May 15-17, 2020, in Louisville, Kentucky.
Be there or be less black. Or more blue.

==The Bids==
* Toronto http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/
* Louisville http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/
* [[Boo%27s_pants | Boo's Pants]]

==The Voting==

Results:

Kentucky: 80 
Toronto: 55 
Boo's Pants: 1

==The Committee==

==Others Not Officially On Committee But Who Were Invaluable In Their Help==

==The Drama==

The Covid Pandemic has delayed the event for about two years.

==The Party==

===The Bands===

===The DJs===

===Vendors===

===The Official Events===

===The Unofficial Events===

==The Photos==

Alt.gothic

2021-02-10T07:41:26Z

Axel:

alt.gothic is where we started talking, arguing & flirting. You can find it on Usenet<ref>It's not hard</ref>. We may or may not be [[Goth | goths]] depending.

== Beginning ==

It appears to have been started on [[ISC_record | 01 November 1991]] by [http://www.lauralemay.com/ Laura Lemay]<ref>The power of [http://community.livejournal.com/goth_macros stupid macros] validates that [http://blog.lauralemay.com/archives/2007/07/im_in_ur_goth_macro.html they are the same person]</ref>. The oldest posts Google has are from the 4th of November, but a couple of them are [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/browse_thread/thread/bd6252d6335bad47/6620c7abf161245f?hl=en&lnk=st&q=group%3Aalt.gothic#6620c7abf161245f responses] to what appear to be posts on the 2nd.

The charter & request to create a.g was [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.config/browse_thread/thread/f7bab753bda47b39/fbdef2a63ac063ec?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=alt.gothic#fbdef2a63ac063ec posted to alt.config] by [http://groups.google.ca/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=9KTbihkAAABOX7GQyKqiOn3mzsZ175scVfbiFziOdjG8sOcaNavG3A Eldritch the thrillseeker], who posted out of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign on 30 October 1991.

The first [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/browse_frm/thread/2a88e37af4989f4?hl=en&tvc=1&q=group%3Aalt.gothic "Is x gothic?"] post was on 03 November 1991. In this case x = Fields of the Nephilim, and someone asked in a non-troll like fashion if SoM were Goth.

The first[http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/browse_thread/thread/7cdad8d419833e47/2825d58dde056f85?hl=en&lnk=st&q=group%3Aalt.gothic#2825d58dde056f85 "What is goth?"] post was at 17:27 on 04 November 1991.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

== After A While ==

Three years later, some of the regulars had the bright idea that doing this in the same physical location with alcohol & music would be a really good idea.

Hence, [[Convergence]]

== FAQ ==

If you want to know more about the group, read the [[alt.gothic FAQ v4.0.0.1 beta]] or [[Alt.gothic_faq | v4.0.4 "Finding a sickness you like"]]<ref>This page should probably be orphaned...</ref>

== Technical Stuff ==

Alt.gothic is a USENET newsgroup for goths. USENET is an absolutely huge discussion for virtually anything, started in 1979. A newsgroup is a subject-oriented subsection of USENET. [http://www.newsreaders.com/ Newsreaders.com] has a general discussion of how to get yourself hooked up to USENET. Many ISPs already maintain USENET news servers available for their customers' use without additional charge, and many news clients are available for free or very low cost as well.

For those without the interest to maintain a separate tool for reading the newsgroup, there are several alternatives:

* [http://groups.google.com/ Google Groups] provides a web-based interface to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/topics alt.gothic]
* Google also provides a read-only [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/feed/rss_v2_0_msgs.xml RSS Feed]. [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/feeds Atom feed] is also available. See [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gothic/feeds Google's alt.gothic feed list] for additional feed information and feeds.
* LiveJournal has a [http://syndicated.livejournal.com/altgothic/ syndication] of this feed that can be added to friends pages. As this can easily overwhelm a Friends List, there's also a syndicated feed of the more-topical [http://syndicated.livejournal.com/agconvergence/ alt.gothic.convergence].

==People==

A lot of us use Facebook so somebody created an alt.gothic page on it. Because most people have different identities on it than they did on [[Usenet]], there's a page to translate called [[So We Know Who The Hell We Are]].

== Trivia ==
[[Divergence]] - Some of the regulars couldn't make it to [[C4 | Convergence IV]] so they organised a meet up on IRC instead. This is before the days of webcams, wireless or even affordable laptops so usenet was very quiet on Convergence weekends in those days.

== Notes ==
<references />

User:Sola

2021-02-04T22:48:14Z

Axel:

Responsible for the [[Alt.spooky]] write up.

Irresponsible for the [[Giant Psychedelic Riding Penis]].

Giant Psychedelic Riding Penis

2021-02-04T22:42:28Z

Axel:

6' long. Glowed in the dark. Black leather harness, saddle, and stirrups.
It was an epic prop. There are pictures of it around some

Invented by ?????

Built by [[User:Sola|Sola]], while in a fever.

Debut at [[C8]].

Photographed by [[SilentQ]] [http://www.silentq.org/photos/C8/index0531.html]
http://www.silentq.org/photos/C8/2002_0531_230244AA.JPG

Ridden by [[The Mighty Sex God AXEL]].

Giant Psychedelic Riding Penis

2021-02-04T22:42:14Z

Axel:

6' long. Glowed in the dark. Black leather harness, saddle, and stirrups.
It was an epic prop. There are pictures of it around some

Invented by ?????

Built by [[User:Sola]], while in a fever.

Debut at [[C8]].

Photographed by [[SilentQ]] [http://www.silentq.org/photos/C8/index0531.html]
http://www.silentq.org/photos/C8/2002_0531_230244AA.JPG

Ridden by [[The Mighty Sex God AXEL]].

User:Sola

2021-02-04T22:35:32Z

Axel:

Responsible for the [[Alt.spooky]] write up.
Irresponsible for the [[Giant Psychedelic Riding Penis]].

So We Know Who The Hell We Are

2021-02-04T22:34:58Z

Axel:

so we know who the hell we are.
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43

Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)

* A Dominy-Cusraque = [[User:A. Dominy-Cusraque|A. Dominy-Cusraque]].
* Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai
* Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia
* Adrian Bott = [[Cavalorn]]
* Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)
* Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi
* Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie
* Algernon Wilde = Algernon33
* Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay
* Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org
* Amanda MK = Nokturna
* Amber Drake = Darkamber
* Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston
* Amelia G = AmeliaG
* Amy Lerner = November
* Amy Montz = Twilight
* Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl
* Andi Pants = [[User:Ashbet|Ashbet]]
* Andrew Robertson = [[User:erithromycin|erithromycin]]
* Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne
* Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi
* Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat
* Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild
* Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais
* Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless
* Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]
* B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl
* Becky Alice = Kallisti
* Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana
* Ben Browning = ~Empty
* Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster
* Bethany Shorb = dethany
* Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite
* Bob Perye = [[User:Macross|Macross]]
* Bob Rosenberg = Bob
* Bob Westphal = TheOneBob
* Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran
* Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth
* Brian VonSoffel = styggian
* Bruce Tucker = Endymion
* Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama
* Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote
* Carie Ann = Absinthea
* Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short
* Carrie Gough = [[User:Carrie Monster|CarrieMonster]] :)
* Cat Meiow = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow
* Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird
* Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon
* Chad Roberts = erich zann
* Charles Gru = [[Gruamach]]
* Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe
* Charlotte Wise = galatea
* Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab
* Cheryl Wallace = hnybny
* Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel
* Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_
* Christopher Anderson = zastur
* Christopher Gillen = darkseraph
* Coal Room = [[Papa_Pan| Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan]]
* Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa '97-98ish)
* Dag Wästberg = [[Dag]]
* Dan Wisnosky = Satori
* Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover
* Daniel Stern = ph0ebus
* David Craig = mole
* David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul
* David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva
* David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity
* Daymion Browning = schadowsfall
* Dayo Steph = Dayo
* Dese'Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don't even remember.)
* Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia
* DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths
* Donna Raphael = [[Lady Greycat]]
* Donna S Jones = Angldst
* Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir
* Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey
* Dwayne Linde = C-ko
* Ed Johnson = [[EdVamp]]
* Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation
* Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment
* Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor
* Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl
* Elizabeth Earl = LizBet
* Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.
* Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-
* Elyse Reardon = mercifl1
* Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel
* Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden
* Eriel Bea Eriel B. = "Lady Le'Stat"/"Madame of Fuck" /"HeLLBeLLe"/"HellBelle"
* Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade
* Erin Nelson = nimue
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong
* Fanny Titball = Angeldye
* Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah
* Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy
* Fross = [[User:Fross|Fross]]
* Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth
* Garrett Scott = Lasher
* Gary Thrasher = Eboe
* Glenn Olson = Kaos
* Greg Anderson = Banshee
* Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth
* Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org
* Heather = Gothdiva1
* Heather Browning = Gothdiva1
* Heather Cromarty = Panic
* Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch
* Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose
* Hester Duffy = hduffy
* Hilda Marshall I'm Columbine
* Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal
* J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr
* Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace
* Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline
* Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK
* Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika
* Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot
* Jeff Blanks = Panurge
* Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
* Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful
* Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell
* Jennifer Brown = [[oddlystrange]]
* Jennifer Dowling = Satan's Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)
* Jennifer Szczublewski = 'Seph
* Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)
* Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet
* Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)
* Joe DeVore = Psyanocide
* John Colbert = Spud
* John Wirtz = Cave Shark
* Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe
* Jola Kupferer = [[User:Jola|Jolarocknolla]]
* Josh Greenwalt =Destri
* Judith Darnell = empressjad
* Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez
* Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee
* Julie Hruby = BlackIce
* Julie Noire = LadyNoir
* Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily
* Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came & departed as a Shadow)
* Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou
* Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby
* Kelly O'Hara = rhithyn
* Kest Viator = [[User:kest|kest]]
* Kevin Zygmontas = Inox
* Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope
* Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)
* Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...
* Kris Dow = “the quiet one”
* Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin
* Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere
* Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge
* Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel
* Lauren Sidwell = Basinke
* Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine
* Lee Baldwin = enigma
* Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep
* Leopold - Neek Oo
* Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl
* Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus
* Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl
* Liz Heckenberg = redcountess
* Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour
* Louise Gilmour = [[Tetsab]]
* Louise Nickerson = Icicle
* Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias
* Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne
* Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God
* Mari Assefa - Jetzebel
* Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon
* Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon
* Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)
* Evelyn Kiera Ivanova = Dragon
* Mary MacCormack = Seo
* Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit
* Matt McKeon = [[User:Xthlc|Xthlc]]
* Matthew Forbes = Nytwind
* Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah
* Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1
* Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen
* Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl
* Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph
* Michael Anderburg = maggot
* Michael Randall = dgener8
* Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.
* Michael Verzani = Literati
* Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr
* Micol Hiatt = Dymentia
* Miška Kazda = MsChaos
* Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional
* Mylissa Prisner = Ashen
* Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx
* Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge
* Nate Hill = NGB
* NeekO = Nightfly
* Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar
* Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan
* Owen Maresh = [[User:Oonh|oonh]]
* Patrice Hawkes-Reed = [[GothPat]]
* Paul Gresock = Trid
* Peter Caffin = Synic
* Peter H. Coffin = [[User:Hellsop|Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)]]
* Rachel Nix = Madame Archel
* Ramon Arjona = Archer
* Raven H. Sun = Raven
* Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie
* Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus
* Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9
* Rebekah Murphy = Bekah
* Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie
* Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands
* Richard Anthony Wilber = [[Jack]]
* Rick Morisco = Xandraius
* Ridley McIntyre = Piglet
* Rob Havelt = dasfiregod
* Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago
* Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu
* Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)
* Rudy T Baegga = [[User:sloot|sloot]]
* Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)
* Ryan Gill = Montieth
* S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid
* SailorGloom = [[User:DJ SailorGloom|Infofreako]]
* Samantha Nasset = Samantha, a Certain Red-Haired Sprite of Evil
* Sande Chen = Sande
* Sandrine Scialdone = argotht
* Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia
* Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = [[User:Scary Lady Sarah|~Scary Lady Sarah~]] / ~SLS~
* Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex
* Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90's) Kuroneko (00's)
* Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction
* Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia
* Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie
* Shi Bradley = Midnyte
* Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)
* Siobhan NiLoughlin = [[User:Siobhan|Siobhan NiLoughlin]]
* Sola Balisane = [[User:Sola|Sola Balisane]]
* Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte
* Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember
* Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia
* Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie
* Steve Gustafson = [[IHCOYC XPICTOC]]
* Stevil Chemsit = [[JV]], The Evil Chemist, Johnny99
* Stu Chisholm = Stu
* Stuart Crawford = [[Potatojunkie]]
* Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)
* Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins
* Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA
* Tarik Dozier = Osiris
* Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana
* Teresa Dickert = [[User:Geekers|Geekers]]
* Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman
* Thomas Parkin = [[Albatross]], St. Albatross
* Timly Grae = [[User:Timly grae|Timly Grae]], overboming/daddygoth overboming
* timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi
* TinaPop = txxxpxx
* Tom Busha = Stypica
* Toni Scandella = Antonio
* Tony Lee = Arcanus
* Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)
* Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23
* Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242
* Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins
* Voron Erich Xarya = [[Voron]]
* Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea
* Wendy Ashmun = wendolen
* Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn
* Will Evans = Rat Bastard
* Will Isenhour = [[User:TSM|TSM]]
* William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)
* Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe
* Yosa Addiss = Yosa
* Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, [[Greylock]]
* Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security
* バットカウント = [[Count Von Sexbat|Sexbat]]

Main Page

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== Convergence ==
This is most likely why you are here.

[[C26|Convergence 26]] bids are up:

http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/

http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/

Further updates can be found in [[Convergence_News]] if anyone has bothered to update it.

Information about past Convergences can be found on the [[Convergence]] page. Links to sites with photos from past Convergences can be found under [[Gallery_sites]].

If you are looking to VOTE, register to vote, anything to do with voting, please go back three spaces, I mean [http://www.altgothic.com/voter/ go directly to the voter page].

== So What's This All About Then Anyway? ==
<big>'''The [[alt.gothic]] wiki'''</big> also known as ''alt.gothic's Wiki featuring Axel (Where Sloot Writes All the Pages and Does All the Work)''

Wherein we explain what [[alt.gothic]] and its well loved child [[Convergence]] are all about, how they work, who did what to whom, where, when & how.

Possibly with [[Gallery sites | incriminating pictures]].

This isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] so don't write the way you would there. Check out the [[Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide]] for how to do things, or just write. The result is likely the same.

Brought to you in part by:
* [[User:Carrie_Monster | Carrie Monster]] - Chief Bullseye, herds the goths, does the talking, gets all the shit, doesn't get appreciated.
* [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] - Makes the technology go.
* [[User:kest | kest]] is avian.
* [[User:Jola | Jola]] is a jerk but she does stuff.
* [[User:spacekadt | Spacekadt]] is helpful.
* [[User:Sloot | sloot]] - runs around editing shit without thinking or asking for approval.
* [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet]] - retired Bullseye

Retirees:
* [[User:Axel | Axel]] - retired from being the Bullseye to spend more time with his [[Better Martini]] collection, but occasionally pops in to edit things, like a less hairy [[User:Sloot | sloot]]!
* [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] - retired from being the Bullseye to better save her incipient geezerhood.
* [[User:Macross | Macross]] - retired from being the Bullseye to learn about the birds, the bees and barbecued meat.
* [[User:Xthlc | Xthlc]] - handed the reins to Macross.

Consult the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User's Guide] for information on using the wiki software.

== Getting started ==

* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce MediaWiki release mailing list]

== CONvergence SF Con ==

For information about the science fiction convention CONvergence held annually in Minnesota, please visit the [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence-con ] website.

== Notes ==
<references />

Main Page

2021-02-04T22:31:17Z

Axel: /* So What's This All About Then Anyway? */

== Convergence ==
This is most likely why you are here.

[[C26|Convergence 26]] bids are up:

http://www.altgothic.com/c26sdf/

http://www.altgothic.com/c26tor/

Further updates can be found in [[Convergence_News]] if anyone has bothered to update it.

Information about past Convergences can be found on the [[Convergence]] page. Links to sites with photos from past Convergences can be found under [[Gallery_sites]].

If you are looking to VOTE, register to vote, anything to do with voting, please go back three spaces, I mean [http://www.altgothic.com/voter/ go directly to the voter page].

== So What's This All About Then Anyway? ==
<big>'''The [[alt.gothic]] wiki'''</big> also known as ''alt.gothic's Wiki featuring Axel (Where Sloot Writes All the Pages and Does All the Work)''

Wherein we explain what [[alt.gothic]] and its well loved child [[Convergence]] are all about, how they work, who did what to whom, where, when & how.

Possibly with [[Gallery sites | incriminating pictures]].

This isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] so don't write the way you would there. Check out the [[Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide]].

Brought to you in part by:
* [[User:Carrie_Monster | Carrie Monster]] - Chief Bullseye, herds the goths, does the talking, gets all the shit, doesn't get appreciated.
* [[User:Hellsop | Peter H. Coffin]] - Makes the technology go.
* [[User:kest | kest]] is avian.
* [[User:Jola | Jola]] is a jerk but she does stuff.
* [[User:spacekadt | Spacekadt]] is helpful.
* [[User:Sloot | sloot]] - runs around editing shit without thinking or asking for approval.
* [[User:Ashbet | Ashbet]] - retired Bullseye

Retirees:
* [[User:Axel | Axel]] - retired from being the Bullseye to spend more time with his [[Better Martini]] collection, but occasionally pops in to edit things, like a less hairy [[User:Sloot | sloot]]!
* [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] - retired from being the Bullseye to better save her incipient geezerhood.
* [[User:Macross | Macross]] - retired from being the Bullseye to learn about the birds, the bees and barbecued meat.
* [[User:Xthlc | Xthlc]] - handed the reins to Macross.

Consult the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User's Guide] for information on using the wiki software.

== Getting started ==

* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]
* [http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce MediaWiki release mailing list]

== CONvergence SF Con ==

For information about the science fiction convention CONvergence held annually in Minnesota, please visit the [http://www.convergence-con.org/ CONvergence-con ] website.

== Notes ==
<references />

Provisional approach

2021-02-04T22:30:28Z

Axel: Provisional approach moved to Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide: After 12 years it's no longer provisional.

#REDIRECT [[Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide]]

Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide

2021-02-04T22:30:28Z

Axel: Provisional approach moved to Alt.Gothic Wiki Style Guide: After 12 years it's no longer provisional.

This isn't [[http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia]] so don't expect
* Encyclopedianess.
* Neutral Point of View
* Free content

Please note

* Original research is okay.
* Verifiable accuracy is not required - after all there is a good chance we were drunk when it happened.
* Personal opinions are the lifeblood of Usenet.
* [[The C*B*L]] reserves the right to control what we think needs to be controlled.

We do endorse
* A very simple code of conduct. Play nice. We're friends, or at least friends of friends. There are people on the other end of the intertubes reading this<ref>At least I hope there are. I'm wasting an awful lot of energy if nobody reads this.</ref>.
* No firm rules.
* Drunk posting. Hold a [[Better Martini]] in one hand, type with the other. Your spelling may suffer, but you'll feel a lot more debonair as you do it, and that's what really counts.

==Footnotes==

<references />

So We Know Who The Hell We Are

2021-02-04T22:26:37Z

Axel:

so we know who the hell we are.
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43

Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)

* A Dominy-Cusraque = [[User:A. Dominy-Cusraque|A. Dominy-Cusraque]].
* Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai
* Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia
* Adrian Bott = [[Cavalorn]]
* Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)
* Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi
* Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie
* Algernon Wilde = Algernon33
* Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay
* Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org
* Amanda MK = Nokturna
* Amber Drake = Darkamber
* Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston
* Amelia G = AmeliaG
* Amy Lerner = November
* Amy Montz = Twilight
* Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl
* Andi Pants = [[User:Ashbet|Ashbet]]
* Andrew Robertson = [[User:erithromycin|erithromycin]]
* Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne
* Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi
* Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat
* Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild
* Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais
* Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless
* Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]
* B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl
* Becky Alice = Kallisti
* Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana
* Ben Browning = ~Empty
* Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster
* Bethany Shorb = dethany
* Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite
* Bob Perye = Macross
* Bob Rosenberg = Bob
* Bob Westphal = TheOneBob
* Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran
* Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth
* Brian VonSoffel = styggian
* Bruce Tucker = Endymion
* Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama
* Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote
* Carie Ann = Absinthea
* Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short
* Carrie Gough = [[User:Carrie Monster|CarrieMonster]] :)
* Cat Meiow = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow
* Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird
* Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon
* Chad Roberts = erich zann
* Charles Gru = [[Gruamach]]
* Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe
* Charlotte Wise = galatea
* Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab
* Cheryl Wallace = hnybny
* Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel
* Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_
* Christopher Anderson = zastur
* Christopher Gillen = darkseraph
* Coal Room = [[Papa_Pan| Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan]]
* Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa '97-98ish)
* Dag Wästberg = [[Dag]]
* Dan Wisnosky = Satori
* Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover
* Daniel Stern = ph0ebus
* David Craig = mole
* David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul
* David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva
* David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity
* Daymion Browning = schadowsfall
* Dayo Steph = Dayo
* Dese'Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don't even remember.)
* Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia
* DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths
* Donna Raphael = [[Lady Greycat]]
* Donna S Jones = Angldst
* Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir
* Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey
* Dwayne Linde = C-ko
* Ed Johnson = [[EdVamp]]
* Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation
* Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment
* Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor
* Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl
* Elizabeth Earl = LizBet
* Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.
* Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-
* Elyse Reardon = mercifl1
* Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel
* Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden
* Eriel Bea Eriel B. = "Lady Le'Stat"/"Madame of Fuck" /"HeLLBeLLe"/"HellBelle"
* Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade
* Erin Nelson = nimue
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong
* Fanny Titball = Angeldye
* Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah
* Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy
* Fross = [[User:Fross|Fross]]
* Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth
* Garrett Scott = Lasher
* Gary Thrasher = Eboe
* Glenn Olson = Kaos
* Greg Anderson = Banshee
* Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth
* Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org
* Heather = Gothdiva1
* Heather Browning = Gothdiva1
* Heather Cromarty = Panic
* Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch
* Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose
* Hester Duffy = hduffy
* Hilda Marshall I'm Columbine
* Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal
* J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr
* Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace
* Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline
* Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK
* Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika
* Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot
* Jeff Blanks = Panurge
* Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
* Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful
* Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell
* Jennifer Brown = [[oddlystrange]]
* Jennifer Dowling = Satan's Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)
* Jennifer Szczublewski = 'Seph
* Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)
* Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet
* Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)
* Joe DeVore = Psyanocide
* John Colbert = Spud
* John Wirtz = Cave Shark
* Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe
* Jola Kupferer = [[User:Jola|Jolarocknolla]]
* Josh Greenwalt =Destri
* Judith Darnell = empressjad
* Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez
* Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee
* Julie Hruby = BlackIce
* Julie Noire = LadyNoir
* Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily
* Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came & departed as a Shadow)
* Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou
* Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby
* Kelly O'Hara = rhithyn
* Kest Viator = kest
* Kevin Zygmontas = Inox
* Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope
* Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)
* Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...
* Kris Dow = “the quiet one”
* Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin
* Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere
* Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge
* Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel
* Lauren Sidwell = Basinke
* Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine
* Lee Baldwin = enigma
* Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep
* Leopold - Neek Oo
* Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl
* Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus
* Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl
* Liz Heckenberg = redcountess
* Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour
* Louise Gilmour = [[Tetsab]]
* Louise Nickerson = Icicle
* Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias
* Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne
* Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God
* Mari Assefa - Jetzebel
* Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon
* Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon
* Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)
* Evelyn Kiera Ivanova = Dragon
* Mary MacCormack = Seo
* Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit
* Matt McKeon = Xthlc
* Matthew Forbes = Nytwind
* Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah
* Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1
* Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen
* Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl
* Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph
* Michael Anderburg = maggot
* Michael Randall = dgener8
* Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.
* Michael Verzani = Literati
* Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr
* Micol Hiatt = Dymentia
* Miška Kazda = MsChaos
* Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional
* Mylissa Prisner = Ashen
* Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx
* Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge
* Nate Hill = NGB
* NeekO = Nightfly
* Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar
* Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan
* Owen Maresh = [[User:Oonh|oonh]]
* Patrice Hawkes-Reed = [[GothPat]]
* Paul Gresock = Trid
* Peter Caffin = Synic
* Peter H. Coffin = [[User:Hellsop|Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)]]
* Rachel Nix = Madame Archel
* Ramon Arjona = Archer
* Raven H. Sun = Raven
* Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie
* Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus
* Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9
* Rebekah Murphy = Bekah
* Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie
* Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands
* Richard Anthony Wilber = [[Jack]]
* Rick Morisco = Xandraius
* Ridley McIntyre = Piglet
* Rob Havelt = dasfiregod
* Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago
* Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu
* Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)
* Rudy T Baegga = sloot
* Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)
* Ryan Gill = Montieth
* S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid
* SailorGloom = [[User:DJ SailorGloom|Infofreako]]
* Samantha Nasset = Samantha, a Certain Red-Haired Sprite of Evil
* Sande Chen = Sande
* Sandrine Scialdone = argotht
* Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia
* Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = [[User:Scary Lady Sarah|~Scary Lady Sarah~]] / ~SLS~
* Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex
* Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90's) Kuroneko (00's)
* Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction
* Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia
* Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie
* Shi Bradley = Midnyte
* Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)
* Siobhan NiLoughlin = [[User:Siobhan|Siobhan NiLoughlin]]
* Sola Balisane = [[User:Sola|Sola]]
* Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte
* Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember
* Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia
* Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie
* Steve Gustafson = [[IHCOYC XPICTOC]]
* Stevil Chemsit = [[JV]], The Evil Chemist, Johnny99
* Stu Chisholm = Stu
* Stuart Crawford = [[Potatojunkie]]
* Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)
* Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins
* Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA
* Tarik Dozier = Osiris
* Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana
* Teresa Dickert = [[User:Geekers|Geekers]]
* Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman
* Thomas Parkin = [[Albatross]], St. Albatross
* Timly Grae = [[User:Timly grae|Timly Grae]], overboming/daddygoth overboming
* timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi
* TinaPop = txxxpxx
* Tom Busha = Stypica
* Toni Scandella = Antonio
* Tony Lee = Arcanus
* Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)
* Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23
* Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242
* Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins
* Voron Erich Xarya = [[Voron]]
* Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea
* Wendy Ashmun = wendolen
* Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn
* Will Evans = Rat Bastard
* Will Isenhour = [[User:TSM|TSM]]
* William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)
* Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe
* Yosa Addiss = Yosa
* Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, [[Greylock]]
* Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security
* バットカウント = [[Count Von Sexbat|Sexbat]]

The Mighty Sex God AXEL

2021-02-04T22:25:37Z

Axel:

Definitely not a stage name used by [[User:Axel | Axel]].

Bass player in [[Captain Matt's Armada Featuring Axel (where Trevor Writes All The Songs and does all the work)]]

Rode the [[Giant Psychedelic Riding Penis]].

CMAFA

2021-02-04T22:24:43Z

Axel: New page: Captain Matt's Armada Featuring Axel (where Trevor Writes All The Songs and does all the work)

[[Captain Matt's Armada Featuring Axel (where Trevor Writes All The Songs and does all the work)]]

Giant Psychedelic Riding Penis

2021-02-04T22:22:36Z

Axel: New page: Invented by ????? Built by User:Sola, while in a fever. Debut at C8. Ridden by The Mighty Sex God AXEL.

Invented by ?????

Built by [[User:Sola]], while in a fever.

Debut at [[C8]].

Ridden by [[The Mighty Sex God AXEL]].

User:++Allison++

2021-02-04T21:55:19Z

Axel:

Allison was responsible for Excess and Oohs.

Rumour has it she was quite good at that.

RIP

So We Know Who The Hell We Are

2021-02-01T18:37:00Z

Axel:

so we know who the hell we are.
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43

Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)

* A Dominy-Cusraque = A Dominy-Cusraque.
* Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai
* Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia
* Adrian Bott = Cavalorn
* Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)
* Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi
* Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie
* Algernon Wilde = Algernon33
* Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay
* Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org
* Amanda MK = Nokturna
* Amber Drake = Darkamber
* Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston
* Amelia G = AmeliaG
* Amy Lerner = November
* Amy Montz = Twilight
* Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl
* Andi Pants = Ashbet
* Andrew Robertson = erithromycin
* Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne
* Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi
* Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat
* Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild
* Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais
* Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless
* Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]
* B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl
* Becky Alice = Kallisti
* Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana
* Ben Browning = ~Empty
* Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster
* Bethany Shorb = dethany
* Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite
* Bob Perye = Macross
* Bob Rosenberg = Bob
* Bob Westphal = TheOneBob
* Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran
* Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth
* Brian VonSoffel = styggian
* Bruce Tucker = Endymion
* Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama
* Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote
* Carie Ann = Absinthea
* Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short
* Carrie Gough = CarrieMonster :)
* Cat Meiow = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow
* Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird
* Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon
* Chad Roberts = erich zann
* Charles Gru = Gruamach
* Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe
* Charlotte Wise = galatea
* Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab
* Cheryl Wallace = hnybny
* Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel
* Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_
* Christopher Anderson = zastur
* Christopher Gillen = darkseraph
* Coal Room = Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan
* Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa '97-98ish)
* Dag Wästberg = Dag
* Dan Wisnosky = Satori
* Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover
* Daniel Stern = ph0ebus
* David Craig = mole
* David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul
* David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva
* David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity
* Daymion Browning = schadowsfall
* Dayo Steph = Dayo
* Dese'Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don't even remember.)
* Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia
* DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths
* Donna Raphael = Greycat
* Donna S Jones = Angldst
* Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir
* Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey
* Dwayne Linde = C-ko
* Ed Johnson = Edvamp
* Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation
* Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment
* Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor
* Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl
* Elizabeth Earl = LizBet
* Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.
* Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-
* Elyse Reardon = mercifl1
* Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel
* Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden
* Eriel Bea Eriel B. = "Lady Le'Stat"/"Madame of Fuck" /"HeLLBeLLe"/"HellBelle"
* Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade
* Erin Nelson = nimue
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
* Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong
* Fanny Titball = Angeldye
* Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah
* Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy
* Fross = Fross
* Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth
* Garrett Scott = Lasher
* Gary Thrasher = Eboe
* Glenn Olson = Kaos
* Greg Anderson = Banshee
* Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth
* Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org
* Heather = Gothdiva1
* Heather Browning = Gothdiva1
* Heather Cromarty = Panic
* Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch
* Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose
* Hester Duffy = hduffy
* Hilda Marshall I'm Columbine
* Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal
* J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr
* Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace
* Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline
* Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK
* Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika
* Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot
* Jeff Blanks = Panurge
* Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
* Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful
* Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell
* Jennifer Brown = oddlystrange
* Jennifer Dowling = Satan's Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)
* Jennifer Szczublewski = 'Seph
* Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)
* Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet
* Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)
* Joe DeVore = Psyanocide
* John Colbert = Spud
* John Wirtz = Cave Shark
* Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe
* Jola Kupferer = Jolarocknolla
* Josh Greenwalt =Destri
* Judith Darnell = empressjad
* Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez
* Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee
* Julie Hruby = BlackIce
* Julie Noire = LadyNoir
* Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily
* Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came & departed as a Shadow)
* Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou
* Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby
* Kelly O'Hara = rhithyn
* Kest Viator = kest
* Kevin Zygmontas = Inox
* Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope
* Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)
* Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...
* Kris Dow = “the quiet one”
* Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin
* Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere
* Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge
* Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel
* Lauren Sidwell = Basinke
* Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine
* Lee Baldwin = enigma
* Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep
* Leopold - Neek Oo
* Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl
* Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus
* Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl
* Liz Heckenberg = redcountess
* Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour
* Louise Gilmour = Tetsab
* Louise Nickerson = Icicle
* Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias
* Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne
* Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God
* Mari Assefa - Jetzebel
* Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon
* Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon
* Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)
* Martin Fredrickson = Dragon
* Mary MacCormack = Seo
* Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit
* Matt McKeon = Xthlc
* Matthew Forbes = Nytwind
* Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah
* Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1
* Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen
* Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl
* Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph
* Michael Anderburg = maggot
* Michael Randall = dgener8
* Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.
* Michael Verzani = Literati
* Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr
* Micol Hiatt = Dymentia
* Miška Kazda = MsChaos
* Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional
* Mylissa Prisner = Ashen
* Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx
* Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge
* Nate Hill = NGB
* NeekO = Nightfly
* Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar
* Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan
* Owen Maresh = oonh
* Patrice Hawkes-Reed = Gothpat
* Paul Gresock = Trid
* Peter Caffin = Synic
* Peter H. Coffin = Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)
* Rachel Nix = Madame Archel
* Ramon Arjona = Archer
* Raven H. Sun = Raven
* Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie
* Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus
* Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9
* Rebekah Murphy = Bekah
* Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie
* Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands
* Richard Anthony Wilber = Jack
* Rick Morisco = Xandraius
* Ridley McIntyre = Piglet
* Rob Havelt = dasfiregod
* Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago
* Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu
* Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)
* Rudy T Baegga = sloot
* Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)
* Ryan Gill = Montieth
* S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid
* SailorGloom = Infofreako
* Samantha Nasset = Samantha, a Certain Red-Haired Sprite of Evil
* Sande Chen = Sande
* Sandrine Scialdone = argotht
* Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia
* Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = ~Scary Lady Sarah~ / ~SLS~
* Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex
* Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90's) Kuroneko (00's)
* Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction
* Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia
* Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie
* Shi Bradley = Midnyte
* Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)
* Siobhan NiLoughlin = Siobhan NiLoughlin
* Sola Balisane = Sola
* Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte
* Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember
* Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia
* Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie
* Steve Gustafson = IHCOYC
* Stevil Chemsit = JV, The Evil Chemist, Johnny99
* Stu Chisholm = Stu
* Stuart Crawford = Potatojunkie
* Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)
* Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins
* Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA
* Tarik Dozier = Osiris
* Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana
* Teresa Dickert = Geekers
* Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman
* Thomas Parkin = Albatross, St. Albatross
* Timly Grae = Timly Grae, overboming/daddygoth overboming
* timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi
* TinaPop = txxxpxx
* Tom Busha = Stypica
* Toni Scandella = Antonio
* Tony Lee = Arcanus
* Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)
* Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23
* Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242
* Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins
* Voron Erich Xarya = Voron
* Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea
* Wendy Ashmun = wendolen
* Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn
* Will Evans = Rat Bastard
* Will Isenhour = TSM
* William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)
* Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe
* Yosa Addiss = Yosa
* Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, Greylock
* Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security
* バットカウント = Sexbat

So We Know Who The Hell We Are

2021-02-01T18:34:38Z

Axel: New page: so we know who the hell we are. By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43 Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-) ...

so we know who the hell we are.
By Elly Rainbow Burian on Friday, 2 May 2014 at 09:43

Please put your Facebook name and your alt.gothic handle here so we can all recognise each other :-)

A Dominy-Cusraque = A Dominy-Cusraque.
Aaron Moses Moore = Mozai
Aaron Wooster = Al Golagnia
Adrian Bott = Cavalorn
Áine Keefer = Áine (also, ouranophobe on LJ and twitter)
Alain Cislaghi = Alain Cislaghi
Alex Sharkey/Stephanie Quinlan = 50 Ft Queenie
Algernon Wilde = Algernon33
Alicia de Soto = Yxtabay
Althea Ann = lilith@dorsai.org
Amanda MK = Nokturna
Amber Drake = Darkamber
Amelia Devore= leathe^v^, Amelia B. Preston
Amelia G = AmeliaG
Amy Lerner = November
Amy Montz = Twilight
Amy Romeo = theonetrinity, notmostppl
Andi Pants = Ashbet
Andrew Robertson = erithromycin
Andrew Stallings = ExiledV2, H. Castaigne
Ann Synesthesia Koi = Ann Koi, cutethulhu, mskoi, sectsondrugs, asagikoi
Annette Heathen = Cosey Mo, Feronia, Spikey Cat
Arkady Rose = Arkady, DarkRose, WolfChild
Athenais LaMontespan = Athenais LaMontespan Athenais
Audrey McNeil = the poster formerly known as Useless
Axel *now with a last name* = [[User:Axel | Axel]]
B Maura Townsend = StrangeGirl
Becky Alice = Kallisti
Becky Combs Wilson = zentariana
Ben Browning = ~Empty
Beth Gallego = antiopa, poster girl with no poster
Bethany Shorb = dethany
Billy Martin = Poppy Z. Brite
Bob Perye = Macross
Bob Rosenberg = Bob
Bob Westphal = TheOneBob
Brian Goldberg = Lordbiran
Brian Truitt = Dizzy, Dizzydog, Aethenoth
Brian VonSoffel = styggian
Bruce Tucker = Endymion
Bryce Lynch = bryce AT telerama
Cam Rogers = Letterbomb, Coyote
Carie Ann = Absinthea
Caroline Eikenberry = InnocentVice or Noccie for short
Carrie Gough = CarrieMonster :)
Cat Meiow = Mistress Cat, Cat, meiow
Celena Merchant Mauk = PrncssGoth/Maukingbird
Chad Painter = Chrome Angel, Chromeangel, Chrome4ngel, Dagon30k, Dagon
Chad Roberts = erich zann
Charles Gru = Gruamach
Charlotte Ashley = Leanan Sidhe
Charlotte Wise = galatea
Cheryl L. Wickham = gabriella, v. gabriella, v. Gab
Cheryl Wallace = hnybny
Chris Chievious Wagner = Daimon Ahnjeel
Chris Crowther = _Shad0w_
Christopher Anderson = zastur
Christopher Gillen = darkseraph
Coal Room = Marcus Pan / Stealthgoth Pan / PaPa-Pan
Cormac Dubh Mac Tíre = Sciamachy (previously Vetinari circa '97-98ish)
Dag Wästberg = Dag
Dan Wisnosky = Satori
Daniel Ackerley = Artisan and / or Strangerover
Daniel Stern = ph0ebus
David Craig = mole
David E. Christman = Dave Ghoul
David Gerard = Nile Evil Bastard, reddragdiva
David Thompson = Morbid Curiosity
Daymion Browning = schadowsfall
Dayo Steph = Dayo
Dese'Rae Stage = desyre (Maybe? I honestly don't even remember.)
Diane Bono Sampson = Dionysia
DJ Wicked Goth Wickedgoths = Wickedgoths
Donna Raphael = Greycat
Donna S Jones = Angldst
Dorothy Farkas-Steel = Elixxir
Drusilla Grey = Drusilla Grey
Dwayne Linde = C-ko
Ed Johnson = Edvamp
Eileen Orzoff Baranyk = Individuation
Elaine Foster = Valerian, artofadornment
Eleanor McHugh = feyeleanor
Elexa Gilbert = MissElexa/SynthElexa/Gravegrrl
Elizabeth Earl = LizBet
Ellen Johnson = Metamorph aka Metamorph the Dinogoth.
Elly Rainbow Burian = -eloquence-
Elyse Reardon = mercifl1
Emily Sexton = jezebel/emzebel
Eric Arcana = Enoch Arden
Eriel Bea Eriel B. = "Lady Le'Stat"/"Madame of Fuck" /"HeLLBeLLe"/"HellBelle"
Erika Ross = Erika V./Lisiblac/Jade
Erin Nelson = nimue
Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
Evolc Hctib = Shawn Yotter, Clove Bitch or CloveBitch
Ezekiel Hendrickson = Paul Arthur / flowerysong
Fanny Titball = Angeldye
Flick McLuckie = Blaadyblah
Foxlady Foxperson = FirePoppy
Fross = Fross
Fuzzygoth Dave = Fuzzygoth
Garrett Scott = Lasher
Gary Thrasher = Eboe
Glenn Olson = Kaos
Greg Anderson = Banshee
Hardrock Llewynyth = Hardrock Llewynyth
Heath Woodson = Radical@dorsai.org
Heather = Gothdiva1
Heather Browning = Gothdiva1
Heather Cromarty = Panic
Heather Phillips = WhiteWitch
Heidi Weispfenning = deadrose
Hester Duffy = hduffy
Hilda Marshall I'm Columbine
Ian Staer = Spiggy, Luminal
J Edgar Agnew = peet / peetr
Jacob Solbrig = Jacob Solace
Jacqueline Susan Turlington-Moore = Jacqueline
Jakob Kaine = RazorJAK
Jamie Dee Franklin = serenova, ubika
Jayson Elliot = Jayson Elliot
Jeff Blanks = Panurge
Jeff Franzmann = Jeff-boy, Eater of Worlds
Jeniphir Taylor-McIntire = Penny Dreadful
Jenn Orton = AngelDemon (AngelDemonn) / Nadilla Cranwell
Jennifer Brown = oddlystrange
Jennifer Dowling = Satan's Sister (1990s) / Stillbourne (2000s)
Jennifer Szczublewski = 'Seph
Jenny Brundage = ~twilight~ (AKA little ~twilight~)
Jessica Honsinger = darkjuliet
Joe Colburn = Joi (GotBlack)
Joe DeVore = Psyanocide
John Colbert = Spud
John Wirtz = Cave Shark
Johonna Nutter = Josie Nutter / Luna Sidhe
Jola Kupferer = Jolarocknolla
Josh Greenwalt =Destri
Judith Darnell = empressjad
Julia Hawkes-Reed = HiRez
Juliann Krute = Lady Id, CyberBanshee
Julie Hruby = BlackIce
Julie Noire = LadyNoir
Juliet Kembitskey = imperia, ravenlily
Karak = Ligeia@obscure.org (she came & departed as a Shadow)
Karkajou Automaton = thee karkajou automaton, Carcajou
Kathryn Pollnac = Posbina/Posby
Kelly O'Hara = rhithyn
Kest Viator = kest
Kevin Zygmontas = Inox
Kim Bell = DJ Kaleidoscope
Kirsti Thomas = kirsti (not jherek)
Korin Tom Queen = Korin / Tom...
Kris Dow = “the quiet one”
Kris Raams Smith = Skitz? (from babygoth) / Kris / The Lil Bl00 Munchkin
Krista Harnish = Gwen/Guinevere
Laurel Dodge = Laurel Dodge
Laurel Skadi = Ruhiel
Lauren Sidwell = Basinke
Leah Healy = Madbatmaxine
Lee Baldwin = enigma
Leigh Holt = dismal, zer0sleep
Leopold - Neek Oo
Lhizz Browne = Artemisia / octopusgrrl
Lilibat Xgau = lilituaeternus
Lindy Lou = Activity Grrrl
Liz Heckenberg = redcountess
Lolly Mallan = Miss Behaviour
Louise Gilmour = Tetsab
Louise Nickerson = Icicle
Lucy Bond = refuses to give alias
Lynne Thurmond=Mystress Prynne
Marge von Munchingindahausen = The Girl who wanted to be God
Mari Assefa - Jetzebel
Marianne Kirby - m.kirby@whatevermyemailaddresswas/onceupon
Marissa Spokes - dreadeddragon/Dreaded Dragon
Mark Kaplan - Marq, Jammer? (things are a little fuzzy)
Martin Fredrickson = Dragon
Mary MacCormack = Seo
Matt Kokas = Sorrow-Vomit
Matt McKeon = Xthlc
Matthew Forbes = Nytwind
Matthew Trevethan = Gwyrah
Maura Conway = Kitteo / misfitina / conway1
Megan Louise Brown = megan the red queen
Melissa Hofelich = ghoulie/ghoulish/ghouliegirl
Metamorph Dinogoth = Metamorph
Michael Anderburg = maggot
Michael Randall = dgener8
Michael Simons = msimons@*.rutgers.edu (Master and Servant) possibly used other environment names.
Michael Verzani = Literati
Michelle Kinyon-Colburn =dethinwntr
Micol Hiatt = Dymentia
Miška Kazda = MsChaos
Monica Mitchell-Taylor = Kore, emulsional
Mylissa Prisner = Ashen
Nancy C = Delirium, Sardonyx
Nancy Hinge Shirey = Elizadeath, Hinge
Nate Hill = NGB
NeekO = Nightfly
Nicholas Turner = Nick/Yaruar
Nicole Alcaro = kunfugimp, ninochan
Owen Maresh = oonh
Patrice Hawkes-Reed = Gothpat
Paul Gresock = Trid
Peter Caffin = Synic
Peter H. Coffin = Peter H. Coffin (hellsop)
Rachel Nix = Madame Archel
Ramon Arjona = Archer
Raven H. Sun = Raven
Ravenlunatic Queenie = Ravenlunatic Queenie
Ray Nawara Jr. = nihilus
Rebecca Carrie Ames =t enshikurai9
Rebekah Murphy = Bekah
Rhuarc Garmsten = Wookie
Richard = EdwardS/cissorhands
Richard Anthony Wilber = Jack
Rick Morisco = Xandraius
Ridley McIntyre = Piglet
Rob Havelt = dasfiregod
Robert Tritthardt = djsprockets, djiago / iago
Roxie Risky - Rosaleen Dhu
Ruadhán McElroy - herr_rozzlyn (also a He, now)
Rudy T Baegga = sloot
Ruth Skowron Alfson = MonaLisaOverdrive (MLO)
Ryan Gill = Montieth
S. Astrid Bin = Astrid, disastrid
SailorGloom = Infofreako
Samantha Nasset = Samantha, a Certain Red-Haired Sprite of Evil
Sande Chen = Sande
Sandrine Scialdone = argotht
Sara Melissa Arnold = Narnia
Sarah Rose / Scarylady Sarah = ~Scary Lady Sarah~ / ~SLS~
Shahn Rigsby = Motuvius Rex
Shannon Moore = Emeraldas (90's) Kuroneko (00's)
Shannon Scott = eveofdstruction
Sharon Rozze Goossen = Alckhemia
Sheila Surla = Sheila Marie
Shi Bradley = Midnyte
Siani Hague-Hogg = siani (hedgehog)
Siobhan NiLoughlin = Siobhan NiLoughlin
Sola Balisane = Sola
Stasha Powell = Miss Morte or missmorte
Steph Wades = zept, zeptember, ztepf, Steph Tember
Stephanie Baker Sylvia = Stephanie aka PaleQueen or SrSylvia
Stephanie Quinlan, formerly Alex Sharkey = 50 Ft Queenie
Steve Gustafson = IHCOYC
Stevil Chemsit = JV, The Evil Chemist, Johnny99
Stu Chisholm = Stu
Stuart Crawford = Potatojunkie
Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik = Sulevia, sukipot (post-Usenet)
Susan Mudgett = Fnord Prefect Fnord, Fnordy, Fnordikins
Susannah Ferdinand = Ariana DataAngel/DA -- Still DataAngel/DA
Tarik Dozier = Osiris
Tatyana Belenky = Tatyana
Teresa Dickert = Geekers
Thomas Izaguirre = ratravarman
Thomas Parkin = Albatross, St. Albatross
Timly Grae = Timly Grae, overboming/daddygoth overboming
timmie steele = timmie, squirrelboi
TinaPop = txxxpxx
Tom Busha = Stypica
Toni Scandella = Antonio
Tony Lee = Arcanus
Tracy Batty Robertson = Batty/Battyboop/The other batty (from agf)
Tracy Hyland Painter = Victorianrose23
Vicki Jankowski = Ms. V, severina_242
Vlad E. Kins = vlad@gwu, vlad@obscure, vladykins
Voron Erich Xarya = Voron
Wendi Dohrmann Williams = Artemis/Boadicea
Wendy Ashmun = wendolen
Whitney Holiday = maat, Asyn
Will Evans = Rat Bastard
Will Isenhour = TSM
William Kinderman = DJ Bat (Xorcist)
Witchy Fingers = witch baby/witchbaby/witchbebe
Yosa Addiss = Yosa
Zim Iamvia = Grrrlock, Greylock
Zoh Raven = Zoe Rothberg, Zoe Security
バットカウント = Sexbat

Take a bite

2021-01-18T05:01:06Z

Axel:

A zine by Count von [[Sexbat]].

[[Issue 1]]

[[Issue 2]]

Issue 2

2021-01-18T05:00:55Z

Axel: New page: Gothic Text files Take A Bite 2 Take a Bite 2 THE VAMPIRE BITES BACK Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away........ Things were getting out of control again. I had been drinking t...

Gothic Text files Take A Bite 2

Take a Bite 2
THE VAMPIRE BITES BACK
Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away........
Things were getting out of control again.

I had been drinking too much wine, watching the home shopping channel, and letting my hair grow. I'd even moved the bulk of the CD's to the office so I could listen to the Sisters on the ROM drive.

In the days where it's possible to go clubbing in Los Angeles before breakfast without even leaving London, it's getting increasingly hard to deal with the real world. There's no virtue in a virtual world, it doesn't rain in cyberspace!

I found the bottles of lovingly imported aquanet, took my cow out from behind the swivel chair, and did what had to be done - I went shopping. After months of browsing, drinking Guiness, and eating curry, it was a simple choice - get fat, or get writing....

This time it took a little longer.

And so, we present the second in a series of vodka inspired volumes of the net.goth handbook, which will, over the months, form a unique and important reference for you, for your family, and for generations to come.

Or maybe not - how the hell should I know?

/\../\
[[Sexbat]]
(editor from Hell)
"The Look of Love"
An ABC of those classix days when Heaven 17 walked the earth ...
I remember the first time I saw the album sleeve for "The Anvil" by Visage. I had but one comment to make- "What the hell is a goth doing on the cover of poncy trash like this?" It puzzled me for a while, until I figured something out. That is, there was once a period when it was quite fashionable to be a goth, and that time coincided with the end of another period; the period when in was quite fashionable to be a new romantic.

It's quite hard these days to believe that there ever was such a time. After all, those who partake these days seem to believe that goth is a subculture, something quite "alternative" to be. There's a great deal of sneering at other subcultures involved, and a great deal of elitism- yet I can remember when I held in my hands a copy of "Chart Hits '82", and there was a Bauhaus track on it amidst the gilded synth-trash.

New romantics and goths had a lot in common. They both indulged occaisionally in cross-dressing, new romantic males wore makeup. Let's face it, if you took the clothes Duran Duran were wearing in '81, back when they released their first album, and dyed them black, there would not be a single garment there that wouldn't fit in a goth's wardrobe. Some things, like their gorgeous billowing shirts (which they've long since abandoned for a sort of dreadful Vic Reeves 70's look) would not need the dye. One of them even wore black leather trousers.

I must admit goth makeup differs slightly from the new romantic sort; pastel eyeshadow is far less prominent, and few goths would be seen dead in that glittery lipgloss that some poor fools wore. Pale skins were in, though. The new romantics were probably the first people on the streets to go for a beautiful, painted androgynous look, not dissimilar to the one that goths have been aiming at all these years. They danced better, too.

New romantic music is rarely credited as an influence on gothic music of any sort but (be it vicious rock or floaty-girlie-stuff) its impossible that it is not, in some way or another. After all, the two were contemporaries. Perhaps its an idea to consider an almost-goth new romantic song, "Hallowe'en" by Japan (1979). Listen to it. Its fast, spooky, slightly vicious and has some of the most wonderful haunting guitar sounds I've heard. In comparison, some atrocities such as.... oh, let's say the remix of "Temple of Love" have an epic dreadfulness slightly more reminiscent of some of the worst new romantic bands. That's a cheap shot, I admit, but its only an example of the dud goth songs that have been released over the years, which often suffered from the same malaise as dud new romantic songs- over-indulgent production of a poseur's uninspired output.

As record companies pillage the 80's for compilation-album material, many of these poor forgotten songs are briefly ressurected. Perhaps it would be kinder to let them rest in peace, for on the whole they were fairly crap. There are but a few songs that stand out from the new romantic fad as being genuinely special, and they are buried among all the other pop-trash that filled the charts, and always will. Be charitable, though; for many, goth too was just a fad to be adopted when it was "in" and abandoned when it went "out". How many of those ex-goths will go back at their old goth rock albums and be as surprised pleasantly at what they might find? I certainly still love my new romantic records.

I met a lass called Kaz at a party. She confessed that she'd done the new romantic bit first, then slowly slipped into the gothic bit, then when that wasn't in anymore, she changed again. That she did so is not really surprising. Lots of people did. Lots of people do. Those who stay faithful to a style forever are in the minority, and goth, like new romantic, is to most little more than a way of wearing your hair, a set of bands it is permitted to like, a label to wear while you seek a more interesting one.

Kaz also confessed to me that of the two, being new romantic was far more fun. I agree- I'd go back to it if there was a hairdresser left on the planet that could do a decent bleached-and-flicked cut, or a person left on the planet who wouldn't laugh at me for doing it.

Rodent Corner
Take a Bite is delighted to present RAT CARE part 1, an article cobbled together from books, drunken memories, and eating curry with people who know people who own rats, and buying Tennants Extra for people who used to breed rats and now have snakes.
Selecting Your Rat
Places to get a rat:
From a pet shop
From someone who breeds rats
Make sure the cages are clean and not full of other rats - otherwise you might end up with a bad tempered or diseased one.

Places not to get a rat:
Between the live rails on the underground (no matter how cute they are)
KFC
Biohazard Animal Experiment Labs
The sewer
Things to look for in a rat:
Alertness
Intelligence
Healthy Plumpness
Clear Eyes
Livelyness
Things to avoid:
Cuts, Scratches, patchy fur
Runny eyes/nose
Mice
How Old?
You should get a rat when it's about six weeks old as they are easier to tame when they are young.
Top 10 Amazing Rat Facts
10 - Some rats like to hide in your hair, climb the curtains, and are prone to making nests inside your furniture
9 - Dead rats were thrown into vats of scrumpy cider. When the rat had dissolved the cider had fermented. Today they use a small piece of meat.
8 - Bubonic Plague killed about 25 million people in Europe in the 14th century.
7 - Rats in Magdeburg are often over a foot long, many of them work as architects in the city.
6 - In America alone, wild rats do about $200,000,000 of damage a year, enough to buy almost 1 fighter bomber or just under 202,020,203 bottles of 99 cent aquanet ultra hold professional.
5 - Rats are more intelligent than dogs, horses, cows, and most politicians.
4 - On average a rat lives for only 3 years, yet in this time, a female rat can produce 300 babies!
3 - A rat once drank 4 pints of cider in one night at the Intrepid Fox in London's Soho
2 - The most common fatal disease in domestic rats is 'chewing through power cables.', but unlike hamsters, they do not explode if you play catch with them. (Editor's note, TaB does not condone playing games with animals, not even if you are a film star)
1 - The Kangaroo rat can jump 20 times its body length AND can change direction in mid air!
We really should tell you about housing and feeding your new pet, but we've run out of space, time, and inclination - so you'll have to wait for issue 3. As a result, we suggest that you don't rush out and buy one now - as it will be very hungry by then and may well start chewing your power cables!

Shadows on a Silver Screen
Gothic Horror Films - just what are they? Take a Bite asked Gary Slegg and Mitch Brian on the off chance that they knew ....
Many people may be familiar with the term Gothic Horror. The term probably conjures up images of mist encircled castles, with people draped in cloaks, shawls, or shrouds, and acting very mysteriously. But is this really true, do gothic movies have to be set in medieval buildings, with people running around in nothing more than a set of bed sheets, with maybe some type of supernatural power?

Well, if this was really all a gothic movie was then we would be forced into accepting that something like Robin Hood - Prince of Theives was a gothic movie, as it contains all the necessary criterai. A castle, people wearing the type of clothes that normal people wouldn't be seen dead in (or perhaps that should be 'would only be seen dead in'), and of course dear old Robin Hood has lots of supernatural powers (well - how else does he manage to live in a tree with his band of merry men!). Robin Hood as a goth film is probably something which many of those amongst us would find a bit unpalatable.

Okay then, lets try again at a definition. One of the most prolific type of Gothic genre movie is the 'Hammer Horror' (as Kate Bush would say). There are of course two main distinguishing features in a Hammer film which we might want to extract and use as defining features of Gothic film in general. They all have Christopher Lee, or Peter Cushing, or both in them, and the acting in them is, well, not up to Oscar standard.

Other, lesser distinguishing characteristics of the Hammer film are that peasants are always portrayed as drunk, filth-covered morons, with a tendency to die violently, and the aristocracy are portrayed as arrogant, upperclass twits, with a tendency to die less violently. In fact, the only nice people in the Hammer film are the middle classes. You can guarantee that the Transylvanian tavern will be full of peasant with cockney accents who will warn the unwary traveller not to go near the Counts Castle. This warning, needless to say, will be ignored.

Finally, you can always play 'Spot the future star' with Hammer films. George Cole (yes - Arthur Daley) appears in the Vampire Lovers, Dennis Waterman is in Scars Of Dracula. Joanna Lumley is in The Satanic Rites Of Dracula, and Wendy Craig appears in The Nanny.

However, some of us might feel this defintition is a bit narrow. For starters, it would mean that Star Wars would be classed as a Gothic film. Also, most of us would want Bram Stokers Dracula included under the Gothic heading, but although Sir Anthony Hopkins and Kenaveau Reeves accents were a bit dodgy, the acting was never really that bad, and besides, neither Christopher Lee nor Peter Cushing appeared in it (probably because they were both dead - well Christopher Lee's career is anyway). So, again we must look else where for our definition.

One feature of Gothic films is perhaps that they have an erotic element to them. True, this is very debateable with Hammer films, although I am reliably informed by people not that much more older than me that they were considered erotic in their day. It is claimed that Gothic films, in particular Vampyr movies have a 'polymorphous perversity'.

Polymorphous perversity was a term used by Freud to describe the gaining of sexual pleasure from body parts other than the primary sexual organs (ie the genitals). For example, in Vampyr films sexual pleasure is denoted by the 'Vampyr Kiss', and thus this is oral satisfaction. People have what are known as erogenous zones, and this can include places like the neck, behind the ear, or, if you are Madonna, the big toe.

Another feature of Gothic films are the use of vivid colour. This might come as a shock to some Goths, but in Gothic films the dark surroundings are often contrasted with rich colours. One only has to think of Bram Stoker's Dracula with it's overindulgent use of blood, the flowing white, and orange outfits of Lucy (Sadie Frost), the red sky etc. This use of colour is also very evident in Hammer movies, and also in films such as Suspiria, with the clever use of red, blue and green light, and Roger Vadim's Metzengerstein. In these films colour is used in a highly styerlized, symbolic way, often representing the moods of the characters. For example in the film The Vampire Lovers the colour of the dress of Carmilla gets darker and darker as her victim becomes weaker and weaker, symbolizing the saddness that Carmilla feels for her victim.

Thus, if we define the Gothic film as being set around some type of medieval (ie gothic) building, erotic undertones, with a 'supernatural' or 'uncanny' element and use of vivid colour, then this rather neatly includes films such as Bram Stokers Dracula, and excludes films such as Robin Hood (unless of course you happen to think that Kevin Costners bum is erotic - in which case you are either a very sad person indeed, or my secreatary).

Okay, so this definition is better, but is it complete? As it stands at present Gothic films can only have European settings, America having no genuine medieval buildings. A bit of a downer that one, as it means films such as 'The Hunger' or 'Near Dark' and even the television classic 'Salems Lot' are excluded, while films such as 'Excalibur' are still included.

Well, although 'Excalibur' contains many element of the traditional Gothic film, the medeival setting, strong eroticism, and mystical events it can probably be excluded from the Gothic genre as it does not concern itself with the supernatural or uncanny. It does includes shape-shifting, but Merlins magic is nothing more than magic. It not about rising the dead, or losings ones soul. Excalibur then is a film that is as close to being a gothic film as possible, without actually being one.

As for The Hunger and other films set in America, if we are to include these films, then we are going to have to drop the stipulation that they require a medieval setting. It is wise to do this, as it then allows us to consider the Gothic Western. The best, and most recent of which is Clint Eastwoods 'Unforgiven'.

True, the erotic element in the film is barely traceable (it does start of in a whore-house but that's about it). However, there is the polymorphous perverse element. Eastwoods character gets pleasure from killing (which is one of the two extremes of the libido, eros and thanatos - as with the vampyr), which he does with a gun. It also involves uncanny elements. Eastwoods characters claims at the start of the film that he "...ain't like that anymore" never quite ring true, and we see the torment in his soul as he ones again is driven to a blood lust at the end of the film. At this climax of the film there is a feeling of Eastwood being some supernatural being bringing death and destruction on those that have opposed him, like some avenging black angel. This is also a feature of the other Gothic films we have so far discussed - the Byronic Hero that is both the nemisis and victim in the film.

Indeed, many of Eastwoods films can be considered gothic in nature, or at least to have a Gothic flavour about them. This is probably most obvious in The Beguiled. Consisiting of decaying southern mansions, an incestuous brother/sister relationship, violence, madness, polymorphous perversity, castration - it's a lurid mishmash of Poe and Bierce. Also High Plains Drifter is very gothic, and it's twist is that the stranger coming into the new place dominates (rather than is dominated by) it.

The Medieval setting is useful to distinguish between European and American gothic films, as for that matter is the social class of the main characters (European films tend to be about aritocratic families, while American tend to be based on the cowboy/biker sub-culture), but it is too restrictive to be used as a defining feature of a gothic movie per se.

Thus then, we can now return to the original question of what exactly constitutes a gothic movie.

Gothic movies can thus be defined as films set in mysterious surroundings (medieval building, woods, or wide open plains). These maybe represents a 'journey into another reality', from whence on return the traveller will be in some way changed, either physically (as in the case of vampyr films) or psychologically (as in the case of The Unforgiven). This journey does not have to be a physical one, but can be a psycho/sexual one, such as in the Hunger, where the characters contact a strange new (for one of them) relationship that threatens to destroy them. This erotic element is also charged with either a supernatural or uncanny overtone. Within Gothic films there is also a destructive, dark figure that the hero or heroine is drawn too. This destructive figure often fits the Byronic Hero type - Heathcliff, Rochester, Max DeWinter and Dracula - and the hero or heroine is at once ensnared, repulsed and attracted into this destructive relationship.

If it hasn't got these characteristics, then it's not Gothic. So there!

Zombie cooking with Confidence
[Weird Music and FX - Scene a candle lit medieval kitchen with some 20th century essentials]
Welcome to my kitchen....[noise from earpiece] oh alright then, Welcome to a soundstage which is probably N times bigger than my kitchen, today we are going to make Curried Goth.

You will need:

1lb of goth (thigh or breast)
1 tin chopped tomatoe
1 large onion
1 packet of lady's fingers
2 tablespoons of yoghurt
1 tablespoon of ghee or vegetable oil
1 clove garlic
1 dash of balsamic vinegar

spices (in teaspoons):
1 x tumeric, 1 x garam masala, 1 x chillie powder, 2 x cumin,
1 x corriander, 3 x fenugreek
Slice and fry the onion and garlic until golden brown then add the meat and fry till sealed
Par boil the lady's fingers until soft then drain
Add the fingers to the pan and fry for a few moments
Add and stir in the spices
Add the vinegar, youhurt and tomatoes in that order and then simmer for 1 hour on a low heat
Take off the heat and leave to stand for 24 hours (refrigerate if climate requires it)
Reheat and serve on a bed of fried rice with tumeric and sultanas
Eat with lots of beer.
You can replace the goth meat with chicken or vegetables if you so desire.
Vegetarians can use Okra instead of lady's fingers.

Next week, we will be making Spagetti Bolognese with my special guests - the Duke of Bologna and Sweeny Todd.

[Music, candles and cooking fire dim to black]

Prometheus in Chainmail
A guide to armour for the Quintessential Goth
Body armour or fashion statement? Take a Bite neither knows nor cares. What we do know is armour has been the height of club fashion since the club was a fashionable weapon.

Let's face it, large amounts of hard looking silver metal looks great! It could even keep you in one piece next time you fall out of a lamp post!

Take a Bite sent Daniel Stern to investigate...

How do I get some chainmail?

1: Buy it

Buying yourself a suit of chainmail is by far the easiest thing to do, but it is only an option if you are rich as it will probably cost you every penny you have though. Prices are typically around 200.00 for a hood and up to 800.00 for a decent shirt. More rational, or less well off people will refuse to fork out a grand on metal clothes, and therefore have little choice other than to...

2: Make it yourself

Compared to the price of buying chainmail, making one's own is relatively inexpensive. (averaging around 40.00). The downside is that its VERY tedious and time consuming, so if you want to make a suit in the near future, don't make any plans.

You'll need:

a metal dowell, with a hole drilled through (near one end)
a drill to put the dowell in
a lot of steel wire (the more the better)
wirecutters (preferably aircraft wire cutters)
tournequets, in case of accidents
a coffee can to put the soon-to-be links in.
two pairs of pliers (small and needlenose are best)
the patience of a saint
a big, counter-mounted vice, to hold the drill upright & steady
Mount the drill upright in the vice, and place the metal dowell in the drill (as if it were a bit), making sure the end with the hole drilled through is close to the chuck. Then, thread one end of the wire through the hole, letting it stick through the other side about an inch or so. Then, SLOWLY engage the drill, and guide the wire up the dowell. Wrap the wire tightly so that each pass is against the previous one. When you reach the end of the dowell. disengage the drill and cut the wire at the top of the dowell.

Do not rest the drill point over any major arteries, as the result, no matter how spectacular, will be short, and you'll probably miss most of it.

Remove the dowell from the drill, and cut the wire where it went through the dowell. Slide the wound up wire off the dowell, and you will have what looks like a tightly wound spring. Once you have the coiled wire, cut off each link until you reach the end of the coil. Repeat until you have a lot of links; the amount depends on what you are making.

Most people who make their own mail use 16 gauge wire; it is quite sturdy and quite easy to come by. Also, the most common pattern is what is called the "international" pattern, namely four links going through a fifth. The mail I make consists of EIGHT links going through a NINTH, giving a nice 2-1-2 pattern. On average, it takes about 50,000 links to make an average sized shirt (REMEMBER!! When making mail, make it OVERSIZED, or you wont be able to get the mail on unless you are very bendy). As far as the dowell is concerned, a 5/16" diameter is about average. The larger the diameter, the bigger the link (and, following logically) the less links needed.

When making a shirt, make 3"x3" squares, and after you have about ten or so, start joining them together. Keep trying the piece on for fit. The exact number of squares will depend on the size of the shirt, so make them as you need them.

To make chainmail, take one open link, and close it using the pliers. Then, take four (or, if you like, eight) open links and link them around the first. It should look like this:

00
00
000000
0000 0000 <---- Outer ring
000000
00 /\
00 L______ Inner ring

Then, link one ring to the four outer rings. Then link three to each. It will look like this:
00
00
000000
0000 0000
000000
00 00 00
000000 000000 000000
0000 000 000 0000
000000 000000 000000
00 00 00
000000
0000 0000
000000
00
00

Continue expanding this pattern, and eventually you will form squares of mail. It is by far easier to link these squares later on than to work with one huge sheet of mail. Remember to close each link when you attach it to another one.
The types of things you can make with chainmail is endless; you can make everything from shirts to chokers, purses to gauntlets. Bracelets are a snap. So, get your tools and wire and get to it! Be the envy of your peers, and if they don't like it, eat them! better!

(Prices are either US dollars or UK pounds sterling at an approximate exchange rate of 1:1. This has something to do with economies of scale and supply and demand and market forces and other such stuff which will be dealt with in the net.goth guide to World Finance.)

You can also buy ready made links by mail order, ask on rec.org.sca or rec.games.frp.live action if you don't believe me!

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Introducing the Take a Bite
"Industrial Aerobics Video"

Filmed on a rubbish tip just on the edge of the Hackney Marshes on a wobbly old super-vhs camcorder in the pissing rain. Featuring several scantily clad models with cheap and nasty plastic and lycra outfits which could fall apart at any moment.

Including songs by Bodycount, Nine inch Nails, The Utah Saints, Ministry, and Alien Sex Fiend. This video will work your lower carpal muscles as you press the fast forward button in an attempt to find the new and exclusive Sisters of Mercy track which isn't actually on the tape at all but the artwork was already finished and we're still waiting for our calls to be returned.

Exercises include:

30 seconds of serious areobic workout followed by
falling over in the mud and sliding into a stagnant pool full of rusty paint tins
being chased by an attack dog over a barbed wire fence
Gasping for breath
For further information e-mail FAT@batt.demon.co.uk
net.goth
net.goth: one (goth) who, having access to usenet, both posts to alt.gothic and wants to be known as a 'net.goth'.
This differs from 'Cybergoth': those covered with tinfoil who insist on wearing wrap around sunglasses with bits of wire stuck to them.

This differs from 'Idontwannalabelgoth': one who does not believe in subcultural labels, but is still a 'goth', "but that's not a label, it's a way of life err... death, um... yeah"

If you want to find out more, stalk down to your local book shop, arrive alarmingly in front of the information counter and say:

"Forsooth, I desire a tome about the Internet which lists local service providers. Provide me with such a work or the minions of hell will strike you down!"
Pull out your quill and vellum and, using the blood of the bookseller as ink, copy out the relevant addresses and phone numbers. Replace the book on the shelf and repair to your waiting chariot. (or you could always go to the public library).
If you don't have access to a computer and modem you will have to learn to whistle very fast.

Take a Bite is delighted to present a "Tale from the Shades of Midnight"
The Tattoo
The Tattoo
by Laura Lemay

Ellen was nearly finished with her third drink when she noticed the man in black. He was standing by the edge of the dance floor, watching the crowd with a bored expression. The crowd deserved his disdain; for an underground nightclub, there were certainly a lot of normal-looking people at Shades of Midnight tonight. Ellen had been on the prowl all night, and had been decidedly unimpressed with the variety of men she had seen. Until now. She put down her glass and turned to Tamara, prodding her on the shoulder to get her attention.

"What do you think of that one?" she asked, leaning close so her voice could be heard over the blast of the music. She pointed through the crowd where the man was standing.

"Oooh, definitely do-able," Tamara replied, nodding. "And just your type, too."

"Who's this?" Andrew, the third at their table, asked. "Who are we talking about?"

"The longhair in the corner. Black jacket, black pants," Tamara replied, gesturing with her cigarette to the figure Ellen had indicated. "Ellen wants him."

Ellen put on an mock expression of indignance. "I only pointed him out, I didn't say I wanted him."

"Just your type," Andrew affirmed, as the man took a long drink from a bottle, completely oblivious to thier observations. "Long hair, black clothes, earrings. Yup. Ten bucks says you wants him."

"Ah, but you don't know if he's tattooed," Tamara noted as Ellen opened her mouth to protest.

"True," Andrew demurred. "Five bucks."

"Sucker's bet," Tamara said, refusing Andrew's outstretched hand.

"Cut that out," Ellen laughed. She had obviously spent far too many nights in nightclubs with these two; they knew her taste in men all too well. Although she had to admit her taste was all too predictable; to give Andrew credit, the mysterious man in black had most of the characteristics she looked for in fresh meat.

"Well?" Tamara asked, nudging her with her arm. "If you don't get a move on, some other sweet young goth thing'll steal him away from you, and I'll have to listen to you bitch all the way home."

"Wait, the song's ending," Ellen protested. "And besides, he sees me. I have time."

* * *

Ellen took her time in approaching the man in black. For almost three songs she watched him as she had a fourth drink, watched him as he danced a little bit, danced with the showy air of someone who knows they are being watched. He had most definitely seen her in the corner, watching him; even though he was positioned on the dance floor at the opposite cornber of the room, he peered at her through the spaces in the crowd. Ellen felt herself flushing with drink and with the attention; she loved this game of tease and reply, of hide and seek.

All the while Tamara and Andrew made fun of her for not getting up from her chair, but she shushed them. The crowning glory in Andrew's and Tamara's evening came when the man removed his jacket after dancing to a particularly hard and fast song, revelealing his bare chest underneath. Covering the front of his upper torso, and snaking over his shoulders and around his sides, was a single, huge, tattoo. Andrew and Tamara practically crowed with glee.

"Ten bucks," Andrew reiterated his bet. Tamara merely gave him a sarcastic look.

"What is it of?" Ellen asked, peering through the darkness as the man wove between the dancers in his own rhythm. "I can't see clearly from here."

"Its some sort of monster, I think." Tamara said. "I can see claws, and....eyes."

"Its beautiful work," Andrew commented. Of the three of them, Andrew was the resident tatoo expert and owner of five of his own. He was on a first name basis with most of the artists in the city. "I don't think I've seen so many gradations of purple blended like that before...."

Tamara snorted. "Leave it to Andrew to provide a running commentary on the artistic qualities of punker tattoos."

"Oh, its ok," Ellen said, relishing the chance for the teasing to turn to someone other than herself. "You know how Andrew gets sometimes --"

"Holy shit." Andrew abruptly said, sitting upright in the chair. Tamara and Ellen turned to face him. "What?" Andrew's gaze was riveted upon the tattoo. "Thats a Mark Killock. I'd swear it, its his work." Andrew leaned even further foreward, trying to get a better view through the lights and the darkness. "Shit, I never thought I'd see one."

"Who's Mark Killock?" Ellen asked. "A tattoo artist, obviously." Tamara replied. Andrew looked sharply back at the two of them. "Not just any tattoo artist. Mark Killock is one of the very best tatoo artists...his work is incredible. That tat is just his style, the colors, the blending, and the subject matter...."

"Its delicious." Ellen commented, grinning, standing up and adjusting her short skirt over her thighs. "He's mine."

"Don't look so worried," Tamara commented after a pause, reaching out a hand. "Ellen will be fine. You know her, she likes dangerous-looking longhaired boys."

Andrew shook his head. "I was just thinking about that tattoo."

"Is it that special?"

"I've heard some really wild rumors about Mark Killock," Andrew replied, looking at Tamara mysteriously. Tamara laughed at him, taking his hands in hers as if to reassure him. "Ellen can take care of herself."

* * *

Ellen was pleased with hwo the night was progressing. When she had started dancing the man had ignored her, but he had been watching her the whole time. When this song had started he had given her his undivided attention. One more song and she would be sure. The music pounded in her ears as she swayed back and forth, and the man in front of her mimicked her movements, watching her with black eyes that radiated lust and made her breathe faster even before he had even touched her. And here on the dance floor, with the lights, Ellen could get a better view of the tattoo.

It was a shapeless monster of a tattoo that seemed to writhe as its owner moved. It appeared to have dozens of tenacles, tentacles that ended in claws, claws that were tinged with dark blood at the ends. It had no head, this monster, but it had eyes, thousands of them, greenish purple eyes over the exapanse of its gelatinous body that seemed to look straight at Ellen while she danced. Its mouth, in the center of its body, was ringed with teeth in rows, sharks' teeth. The creature was purple, varying shades of purple that reflected and glistened in the light, almost like scales. It was a repugnant picture, and Ellen could not fathom why anyone would want it painted permanently on thier skin. But at the same time she had to agree with Andrew that the work was fantastic. It was hard to believe that any single needle had crafted the lines and blended the inks so perfectly that you could not tell where one shade of purple ended and another one began. Reaching out playfully, Ellen ran a finger down the center of the man's chest, right over the creature's mouth. The man's shest was smooth and hairless, with nothing to break up the lines of the tattoo. Beautiful. "Do you like it?" the man mouthed to her as he danced.

"Yes," she nodded admirably. "He likes you too," the man smiled at her, and Ellen smiled back. Bingo, she thought. She had made her conquest.

* * *

Later on Ellen approached Tamara and Andrew, who had moved to the upstairs bar where the music was quieter. "So whats up? Progress?" Tamara said as Ellen approached thier table again.

"Oh, yes," Ellen said, smiling. "We're leaving."

"Have a good time," Andrew commented. It was ritual that made him say that; Ellen always had a good time.

The man approached Ellen from behind, wearing the discarded leather jacket over his bare skin once again. He reached out and took the back of Ellen's neck in the other. Andrew looked uneasily from the hand to the man's face; he looked like he could close his fist and snap her neck with barely a thought. "Ready?" the man asked, as Ellen took her jacket and purse from the chair where Tamra had put them.

"Yes," Ellen said, nodding politely to the pair, and turning to leave.

"Excuse me," Andrew suddenly asked. Ellen and the man stopped and turned back to the table. Andrew motioned to the tattoo with his chin. "Is that a Mark Killock?"

The man looked at Andrew, and his eyes pierced the darkness as if a light was shining behind them. "Yes," he replied. "It is."

"Are the rumors true?" Andrew asked, his voice straining to remain causal. Tamara could feel the tension behind it in the air. "The rumors about the rituals...?"

The man laughed, once, a short laugh that showed only in his mouth. "Of course not," he replied, taking Ellen by the shoulder and guiding her away from the table. Ellen waved back as she left, grinning.

Tamara waited until the couple was out of sight before turning to face Andrew. "Rituals?" she demanded, eyebrows raised, "what rituals?"

"Its just rumor." Andrew shrugged, watching at the doorway where the two of them had vanished. "I've heard a lot of rumors about Mark Killock's work.. wierd satanic shit."

Tamara waited several seconds for Andrew to continue and when he did not, asked, "what sort of satanic shit?"

Andrew shrugged again, reluctant to continue. "Mark Killock tattoos demons."

"I'll say," Tamara stated. "That creature was horrible --"

"That not what I mean. I don't mean that he tattooes pictures of demons; he tattoos the demons themselves." He took a pause as Tamara absentmindedly let the ash fall from her cigarrette onto the floor. "Its just rumor," he finally continued, when he realized he had said too much to just let it drop. "I've heard that just finding Mark Killock is a test; you have to be really determined to want to find him. It's not like he tattoos in any shops. Then once you find him if you want to get tattooed by him you have to go through years of training, to prove yourself, before he lets you go through the rituals. And the rituals are the wierdest part. I've heard claims that during the ritual, black magic draws out demons from your soul. Usually the worst kinds of demons. The magic enslaves them and then Killock tattoos the demon itself into your skin."

There was a long pause, and then Tamara took a long drag on her cigarrette and laughed. "Do you actually believe all that shit? Thats major twilight zone stuff...Personal demons, exorcised from the body and painted into the skin. Ooooh," she laughed, waving her hands about in the air in front of her.

Andrew looked over at her almost angrily, grasping one of her hands in his. "Does it really matter if I believe it or not, or even if its true or not? The point is that if someone goes through the trouble to get tattooed by Mark Killock, he very probably believes it himself. Regardless of the validity of the rumors, Ellen has just gone home with a man who believes that he has enslaved his own personal demon under his skin. And thats what worries me."

* * *

Ellen laughed as they walked to his apartment, feeling drunk and silly, and loving the feel of a new man in her arms. They weaved haphazardly down the sidewalk, occasionally taking breaks in the dark sections to grope each other. Inside the building, he stopped her abruptly in the hallway outside his door and shoved her up against the wall, one hand tangled in her hair, forcing her head back to kiss her, hard, and the bit at her neck. Ellen pushed her hands up under his jacket, gasping at the naked skin on his back. She gasped when he hurt her. Then as suddenly as he had grabbed her, he let her go, standing aside and reaching for the keys in his pocket. She had to press her hands up against the wall to keep her balance, t keep from collapsing in a heap on the floor. Lustfully she eyed him as he unlocked the door and gestured chivalrously into the apartment.

She giggled when he locked the door behind her and pulled her directly to the wide futon in the middle of the small studio. He pushed her onto the bed, and took off his jacket in the dark, dropping it absentmindedly on a chair. "Get undressed," he commanded her, turning away from her and moving about in the room. Ellen did as she was told, watching him in the half light as he lit candles around the bed. In the flickering of the yellow light the tattoo on his chest moved with the muscles in his body as if it were alive. "Come to bed," she said, impatient.

"In a bit." he said, ignoring her as he finished with the candles. It seemed like an hour before he finally put down the matches and climbed onto the bed next to her. She gasped as his body covered her, gasped as his teeth bit into her neck and her breasts. "Oh," she said, once, and he leaned over her, his hands on either side of her shoulders, the demon on his chest fully displayed by the light of the dozens of tiny flames around the room. "Oh," she said, again, finding herself drawn to stare at the work on the skin a few inches before her face. It was moving in the light. The clawed tentacles undulated towards her and the mouth appeared to open and close, dripping black saliva as it did. The demon's eyes looked down at her body in lust and hunger, and Ellen found she could not take her eyes away from them.

"Oh," she said, a third and final time, as the man bent his arms and crushed her body beneath his.

* * *

"She's not home," Andrew said, holding the receiver against his ear with one shoulder. "I'm telling you, she's not home."

"Well then where the hell is she?" Tamara asked. "She never misses Fridays."

"Maybe she has a new guy," Andrew shrugged as the phone rang over and over again in his ear. "Maybe she's out with him. You know her."

"She would never miss a Friday at Shades," Tamara insisted. "Never."

"When was the last time you talked to her?" Andrew asked, giving up and hanging up the phone.

"Same time you did," she replied. "Wednesday, when she went home with that guy with the tattoo. He's probably murdered her, dismembered her body in the bathtub and poured acid over it to get rid of the evidence."

Andrew smiled, once. "And you claim that I have a vivid imagination." Then looked worried. "I woulnd't put it past him. He does have a Mark Killock, after all. The type of people who get Mark Killock's tattoos are hardly the type who are into normalcy in any way shape or form. And I didn't like that guy to start with."

Tamara suddenly leaned close and pointed. "We could ask him." she said, her voice low. "Thats him over there."

He was standing by the bar, wearing the same battered leather jacket as before, once again bare-chested underneath it. The creature on his chest seemed much less frightening than when it was fully exposed. In the full flourescent light of the upper bar, it looked almost like a regular tattoo. Andrew and Tamara watched him for a while as he ordered a shot of something dark and sludgy looking, and swallowed it effortlessly. "Go ask him," Andrew said, nudging at her arm. He didn't admit that he was slightly afriad to ask himself.

"OK, I will," Tamara took the challenge. Andrew watched as she pushed through the people standing around in her path, watched as she walked boldly up to the man and talked to him. Andrew could not hear thier conversation, but the man looked puzzled when she asked. Tamara made motions that were obviously a description; about this tall, longish hair. The man looked at her, and a slow languid smile spread across his face. He leaned over towards her, and Tamara seemed transfixed by her voice. The man's lips just touched her ear, and he whispered something to her. Tamara blinked, once, and then turned pale.

Andrew pushed himself away from the wall, ready to jump in if Tamara was being threatened. What was going on? Tamara took a step back, blinking, and the man leaned back and turned back to the bar, waving at the bartender with authority, that smile still stuck on his face.

Tamara stood stock still for nearly a minute, and Andrew was just about to go up to her to see if she was all right when she turned and bolted for the door, one hand pressed up against her mouth. Andrew paused, debating whether to confront the man, or run after Tamara. He chose to run after her, following her outside. He called her name as she stumbled along the sidewalk, chasing her, and finally caught up to her several doors down from the club.

"Tamara." He said, grasping her shoulders, turning her towards him as she went weak against the wall. Her expression was panicked, her eyes wide and full of frightened tears. "Tamara, what is it? What did he tell you?"

"She -- I--" Tamara started, and gulped for air, struggling for control. "He has her. He has her trapped."

"Wait here," Andrew said, turning back towards the club. He pushed past the door guy, pushed through the crowds to the bar where the man with the tattoo was still standing, talking to the bartender and looking as if nothing had happened.

"You," Andrew said, pulling on his shoulder, spinning him to face him. "What have you done with Ellen?"

The man stumbled a bit as he was spun, but he caught his balance and looked coolly at his attacker, a faint air of disdain in his glance. "Ah, its you," he said. "I just explained it to your friend, ask her." As if that was the end of the conversation, the man turned back to the bar. Andrew took hold of his shoulder again, grasped the front of his leather jacket in his fist and turned him forcibly back around again.

"She told me already. She said you had kidnapped Ellen. I want to know what the deal is, but if you've hurt her, I'll fucking kill you right here."

The man looked into Andrew's eyes for several seconds, and then laughed again with that faint humorless laugh. "I haven't done anything with her."

"Well, you certainly gave Tamara that impression. Why is that?"

The man pulled back, ripping his jacket out of Andrew's grasp. There was a long pause between them as thier eyes locked. "Perhaps because I showed her this," the man said, and pulled aside his jacket, turning slightly into the light.

The full glory of the tattoo was displayed in the flourescent light, and Andrew found his eyes drawn once again to the fine detail in the work, admiring it even as he was disgusted by its subject matter. The thousands of eyes appeared to be staring at him, almost blinking. The tentacles writhed in the light, and then as Andrew atched it, the creature actually was moving, rolling about on the fabric of the man's skin. And in one of its tentacles, viciously mauled, was Ellen. Andrew stepped back, unable to pull his eyes away from the scene. Ellen's lower body had been entirely eaten away, the remainder cut in slashes over every inch of her skin and her hair hung in her face, caked in her eyes with blood and slime. Andrew watched in horror as Ellen's body turned in the creature's claws, and saw with ever mounting panic that Ellen was still alive, that she was fully aware of what was happening to her, and that she was screaming at him, screaming mindlessly, trapped within the tattoo.

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Just take half a gram of speed for breakfast, nine cups of coffee for lunch, another half gram of speed for dinner, and chase it with a couple of aspirin to kill the headache then go out, drink 6 pints of bitter snakebite and lime have a take away sweet and sour dish, then go to a club and dance for three hours.

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"eat right, exercise lots, die anyway"

[Warning: there are some people out there who do not want you to be thin, they are waiting for you, outside, right now! They are after you, they are out to get you! Everywhere, plotting, planning, waiting! Anyone could be one of them, your best friend, your neighbor, me, even you! Best to lie down and get a couple of days sleep once in a blue moon - before the space aliens come and eat your brain!]

Strange things can happen, so, just in case you find yourself falling through a hole in space and time and find yourself stranded in in the middle of Europe towards the twilight years of the Roman Empire, here is a selection of useful phrases for YOU the 20th centruy goth tourist looking for a second hand record shop and a decent kebab...
A Visigothic Phrase Book
General Phrases
Hello - audags wisan (lit. blessed be)
meina namo is ... - my name is ...
Hwar ist af-guths barns - Where are the godless children at?
Hwar ist hlaiwgarda - Where is the graveyard?
Hwar ist swistas bleidis spaurds - Where are the Sisters of Mercy
playing?
Hwar ist mein salithwos - I am drunk, where is my hotel?
Lekeis! - Doctor!
In the Bar
Hiri Magus - Waiter
Hiri Magaths - Waitress
(lit. Come Here Boy/Girl!)
sokja - I would like
sokjos - We would like
Sokjam - We would like (if there
are three or more of you)
Ieithu - Strong drink
eins mel nadrs beitan
jah swarts, leikan - a snakebite and black please
(lit. the bite of an adder)
sokja drubjan - I have come to smash the place up!
Ein qina-kunds insail jan - A female to bind with ropes
mats - some meat
Skuggwa! - Get me a mirror!
At the Doctors
Lekeis - Doctor
Ikai - I have
Thuaih - You have
Slahs - The plague
thruts-fill - leprosy
ieithu siukie - A hangover (lit. strong drink sickness)
Thuaih Un-hultha innana - You are possessed by the devil
Dauthus - Death
Ga-tharban papurpura ieithu - Abstain from purple drinks
Top 10 Bad Taste Things to do:
10 - Eating Vietnamese Food and watching Apocolypse Now
9 - Walking up behind people wearing Nirvana T-shirts and shouting BANG!
8 - Join Weightwatchers when 2 stone underweight with the sort of metabolism that makes supermodels weep
7 - Eat Venison and Rabbit while watching Bambi
6 - Releasing laughing gas onto the stairs at Slimelight
5 - Giggling and slurping jalapenos while watching The Crow
4 - Crossposting cannibal recipes to rec.food.cooking
3 - Buying a bottle of good claret for someone with a hangover
2 - Dub "The Laughing Gnome" over the titles of "The Hunger"
1 - Eat a kebab while sober
The Good Lunchbox Guide
Take a Bite likes to think of itself as an international publication. Thus, to avoid a charge of parochialism, we though we'd do some further investigation into the gothic lunchbox. An accessory rarely seen outside of the United States, and indeed usually located in the more earthquake ridden areas of the west coast..
We grabbed a passing net.goth intercontinental traveller, and while I took notes in eye-liner pencil, other members of the editorial posed as customs officials and went through the contents:

1 flyer for a club
1 airmail letter
1 address boox
1 fan
1 squeaky pickle
1 plastic dinosaur
1 plastic spider
assorted jewellry
1 noose (portable) - probably suited for trendy barbie dolls
stickers in various shapes and colours including scooby doo!
1 eyeliner pencil
some money
personal stationery.
We at Take a Bite have assembled our own lunch box contents, and have:

1 bottle of aquanet extra hold
1 eyeliner pencil
1 white foundation compact (with mirror)
assorted lipsticks and makeup
makeup brush
blank CD
Bendy squsihy biro with a bat on the end
Inflatable plastic bat
Ribbon
Just 17 scrunchie
Folding siscors
Harmonica
Witch Head PEZ dispensor
Packet of Alka-Seltzer
Glow in the dark plastic vampire teeth
Sheep on Drugs Sweet
Sunglasses
Screwdriver
Wallet containing: Business Cards, Game card for Trocadero Arcade
Clockwork Skull
Rubber sucker dart
Rubber finger
spent .38 shell case
Which is a bit of a squeeze, but great fun on public transport.

Dear Ticia
Take a Bite's own Agony Aunt answers your questions! All letters are genuine, and on this occasion we'd like to point your attention to the file TaB2_1.JPG which accompanies this issue and was printed in the on paper edition in answer to our first letter.
Dear Ticia,
I am a janitor at MIT. When I look at you goths, you look like babies. You look like grandmothers. You are scared of the world. You look like apple pies. You are from Beverly Hills.

You look like Trendy Gothic Barbie(TM) Dolls in Black!

Um... baby,

Jeremy Flump

Dear JF,
Here is a photo of a gothic doll in black ( TaB2_1.JPG). If this is what we look like to you, then I suggest you change your brand of floor polish and seek urgent medical assistance!

I have sent you a leaflet on solvent abuse.

Dear Ticia,
When I stand on the platform waiting for the train, I often find myself surrounded by hoardes of screaming schoolchildren with no dress sense. Would it be bad manners to push them onto the tracks?

XX

Dear XX,
I receive many questions about manners, so to help I have produced a simple ettiquette quiz. But remember, manners come from breeding, and are difficult to learn any other way!

Auntie 'Tish's Ettiquette Quiz!

1) You walk into a record shop to see when the new album by Alien Sex Fiend is coming out. While scoping the 'A' section, you notice the plain clothes security man watching you suspiciously do you:

A) Leave the shop in disgust
B) Deliberately wind him up, wait 'til he stops you outside, refuse to co-operate, and when the police arrive and it is proved you are innocent, demand the name and address of their solicitor - and buy a car with the money
C) Put in some plastic vampire teeth and grin at him until he goes away

2) You are sauntering down a busy shopping street on a saturday afternoon making growling noises at anyone who gets in the way, when you see two young girls dressed in 'almost-designer-goth' clothing with make-up plastered inexpertly over their faces. Do you:

A) Put in some plastic vampire teeth and grin at them until they go away
B) Complement them on their appearance and regail them with stories of how it used to be
C) Slam them up against the wall and fix their make-up until it looks right

3) It's raining and you are standing in a taxi queue behind two other people in an underground carpark (yes, there is such a place). Suddenly two drunken idiots push to the front and try to get the next cab. Do you:

A) Let them get away with it and do the same thing to the people in front of you.
B) Close the fire doors and block the exits from the carpark and then pick off the idiots one at a time as they try to escape.
C) Skin them and make umbrellas from their bones, then walk.

4) You have decided to be in a band. Do you sound like:

A) A techno band with a guitarist
B) A drum machine and a singer with an auto-erotic asphyixiation fetish
C) Living proof that the Devil has all the best tunes and none of them are heavy metal.

5) It is time for afternoon tea. What do you drink:

A) Vodka
B) The blood of a virgin
C) Earl Grey

How did you score?
1) A-1 B-3 C-5
2) A-3 B-1 C-5
3) A-1 B-3 C-5
4) A-3 B-3 C-5
5) A-3 B-0 C-5

6 - You didn't do very well. The only way you could score lower than this is if your arithmatic was as bad as your manners. Take a bath!

7-12 Not bad, perhaps you should move to a city!

13-17 Average, average, average - It'd be more exciting if you did it again, go on, live dangerously, cheat!

17-24 Splendidly well done, you are obviously a creature of some breeding!

25 And you drink Earl Grey Too!

Top 10 Gothic Summer complaints:
10 - Accused of eco-terrorism by pressure group when surfing with make-up and hairspray.
9 - Snakebite evaporation Syndrome.
8 - Hayfever and amphetamines don't mix.
7 - Everyone's got sunglasses on.
6 - Increased fuckwit quota on the streets at closing time.
5 - Pointy boots stick in melted pavement (sidewalk)
4 - Top 40 records worse than usuall
3 - Customs & Excise won't let you back into the country because you don't look like your passport picture (who does?)
2 - Superheated can of shockwaves explodes in cloakroom, covering everything with a slightly sicky but 'natural looking' gunk.
1 - Factor 40 total sunblock turns green under uv lighting (black light)
Take a Bite 2.0
First published in 1994
by Battlebridge
pub@batt.demon.co.uk

(c) 1994 Battlebridge
except "The Tattoo" (c) 1993 L.Lemay
"The look of love" (c) 1994 E.J. Barker
"Chainmail for the quintessential goth" (c) 1994 D.Stern
"Gothic Horror Films" (c) 1994 G.Slegg, M.Brian

This publication is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, resold, hired out or otherwise circulated without the publisher's prior consent in any form of binding other than which it is published.

The Electronic edition may be circulated and distributed in full providing no charge is made for the service on any network to which free access is available. If printed, the electronic edition becomes the standard edition and is subject to the constraints of the previous paragraph

Transgressors will be persecuted to the full extent of the lore

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Yeah!

NEXT ISSUE! (Winter 1994)

"Scouting for Goths"

featuring

Rat Care Part 2
A Tourist Guide to Hell
A beginners guide to mad science, and much more!

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The net.goth handbook
ver 1.0
It had got out of control.
I was living on the net, finding it harder and harder to string a sentence together without imagining a keyboard. I moved through real life with IRC back slashes to describe my movements.

It seemed like a good time to pack a few items into a bag, plug in the crimpers and step out into the darkness of the big room outside.

It takes a while to readjust. No matter what people have to say about the net and the global data community, it's not real life. Jolt cola tastes better with vodka in it for one thing, and the people move faster, much faster.

That was some months ago. In the meantime I have been investigating and researching, remembering and reminiscing, and slowly putting the whole thing together into this manual.

Welcome to "Take a Bite".

It's a sort of bible for the postindustrial generation; perhaps a grimoire, probably a cookbook, and definitely a user manual of the international net.goth community.

Eventually we had more material than we could possibly use, so a supplement, or second edition is probably in the works. Any comments or contributions, you know where I am!

So please, step inside "Take a Bite", but don't be surprised if the door slams shut behind you....

Ha ha ha ha......

/\../\
Sexbat

(editor from hell)
The Goth Test
Version 1.1
Scoring - Count 1 for each item that you have done, or each question that you can answer correctly. If you don't know the 'correct' answer then you've got it wrong.
And now, the test:

Section 1 - What *do* you look like?

Do you have black, purple, or white hair?
Do you dye your hair?
Do you dye your hair every 4 weeks?
Every week?
Do you have or have you ever had hair extensions?
Is there such a thing as 'too much' hairspray?
Do you own more eyeliner pencils than ordinary pencils?
Do you wear your makeup to bed? (bonus point if you don't go to bed)
Could you underpin a building with your foundation?
Does it take you more than an hour to get ready to go out?
Can you put eyeliner on without using a mirror?
Has anyone asked you if you 'sharpen your feet'?
Do you have more buckles than toes?
Have you worn fishnet on your arms?
Do you set off the metal detector at airports?
Section 2 - Music, Musicians, Muses
Do you know every Sisters of Mercy Song?
Can you do the actions?
Have you ever seen - Bauhaus?
The Virgin Prunes?
Alien Sex Fiend?
The Sisters of Mercy?
The Fields of the Nephlim (or the Nephlim)
Can you name the original line-up of Christain Death?
Have you ever ligged a band on the goth list?
Have you ever had a pass to one of these bands?
Did you use it?
Have you been to an aftershow party with a famous goth band?
Were the members of the band scared of you?
Was the last song you heard gothic?
Have you been in a goth band?
Section 3- Clubs

Have you been to a goth club?
Did you stay until the end?
Can you slamdance?
Can you chicken dance?
Can you do the backwards forwards bending over like Peter Murphy Dance?
Do you drink snakebite?
Did you go to the Batcave?
Are you on the guest list?
Are you on first name terms with the DJ?
Are you the DJ?
Section 4 - The Undead

Have you got naturally pointy teeth?
Have you worn plastic vampire teeth other than at Halloween.
Did you pick someone up as a result?
Have you had sex with the undead?
Have you been to the Wiredog Club (or equivalent)
Are you a vampire?
How do you do your makeup if you haven't got a reflection?
Have you ever drunk blood?
Have you ever drunk human blood?
From a glass?
Section 5 - On the road

Have you ever been in a following?
Did you ever follow Southern Death Cult, Play Dead, X-Mal, The Sisters?
Have you contributed to a fanzine?
Have you edited a fanzine?
Have you sold a fanzine?
Section 6 - At the movies

Have you seen The Hunger?
Have you seen Return of the Living Dead?
Have you seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
Have you seen the Addams Family (TV Show)?
Do you think it's better than the Munsters?
Section 7 - Hardercore than thou?

Do you own...A Tarot Deck?
.. Lots of weird silver jewelery?
.. Mainly black clothes?
.. More boots than shoes?
.. An original copy of Walk Away (with the flexi)?
.. An inflatable bannana?
Have you ever been called a goth?
Did you deny it?
Do you ever refer to other people as mini-goths or quantum-goths?
Do you get upset when it rains, but still sing 'I love the rain?'
Have you been on alt.gothic since it started?
Have you actually read Shelley?
Do you have a fetish?
Have you flirted with magick or alternative religions?
Do you object fundamentaly to this test even though you scored over 80 points on it?
Section 8 - What's the difference between a Casual and a Redneck?

Do the people you meet on the streets often ask you if you're on your way to a funeral?
Do you encounter carloads of people who make sarcastic comments about the fact that Halloween is X months away?
Do your teachers, peers, etc., often recommend that you see a counselor?
Do you have a pet snake, spider, or a reasonable facsimile thereof?
Have you painted your bedroom black?
Are your parents/friends afraid that you've committed suicide if you stay in your room for more than an hour at a time?
Do you habitually wear dark sunglasses, at all hours of the day?
Do you go by a Gothic/Romantic name on the net? (i.e. made up)
Do you go by a Gothic/Romantic name in real life? (i.e. made up)
Is there any difference between a Casual and a Redneck?
Have you ever been propositioned by a drunk Casual/Redneck?
Did you hospitalise them?
Did you hospitalise them in a really messy way?
Have you ever gone up to a bunch of these people and said 'What the F**K do you think you're looking at?'
Do you have the scars to prove it?
Section 9 - Brown Questions (Art Literature)

Have you read any Poe?
................. Dante?
................. Shelley?
Who was 'Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know?'
Can you tell the difference between Norman and Gothic Churches?
Have you read any Lovecraft?
................. Gothic Novels?
................. de Sade?
Do you like ol-rapheltie or romantic art?
Have you heard Verdi's Requiem?
Section 10 - Courtesy of the University of London Union Old Goth Barstaff soc.

Can you name all the bands on the Merciful Release label?
Do you know what the Birthday Party were called before they were called The Birthday Party?
Who play 'House Music for Goths?'
Do you own a pair of crimpers?
Do you tie an obscene number of scarves to your waist?
Do you know what this signifies?
Have you ever been part of a pyramid?
Do you know the name of Eldritch's cat?
Does God drive a white Merc?
Who's the fairest of them all?
Section 11 - Drugs

Do you or have you ever smoked?
..............................Clove, Marlborough, or Death?
Have you ever had speed before breakfast?
....................... instead of breakfast?
Is caffine more important than sunlight?
The Devil's Dance Party
a guide to goth dancing in the 90's
The Standard 3 by 3 Dance
Look at your feet. Take three steps forwards. Take three steps backwards. Do stuff with your arms if you think anyone is watching. Repeat as necessary.
The Backwards and Forwards Dance - a la Eldritch
Like the standard 3 by 3, but sometimes you can pretend you've got a microphone and look away from it earnestly, sunglasses are a useful prop here! (You can look at your feet if you don't know what to do with your arms).
The My Little Pony
This dance was invented by small girls with too many hair extensions and very high heals. All you can actually do in this state is twist your head and shoulders from side to side in time to the music.
The I can actually Dance
This is usually done by people who have imbibed too much of one substance or another, they actually dance like an ordinary human being. This either looks incredibly cool, or very stupid depending on how far gone they are and if they can *really* dance. Try moving your entire body in time to the music, rolling your shoulders and trying not to laugh.
Slamdancing
This isn't as common as it used to be, but just in case you don't know how, try throwing yourself suddenly backwards and then going beserk fists flying, haircut slicing off limbs and huge pointy boots landing on people. It's very useful on crowded dance floors, and if there are 4 or 5 of you, it's possible to make a nice big space to dance in.
Handy Hint: try not to elbow any 6'6" Rastafarians in the stomach!
The I go to a lot of gigs' dance
Most common to SOM and NMA tracks, this dance involves knowing 'the actions' (ie when to throw one hand in the air - or both if it's the Army). This dance is often done by people who know the words to the songs as well. It is not common for people to stop moving their feet because they are too drunk/wired to coordinate their hands, and voice, and feet at the same time.
The JAMC sprawl
This song involves lying on the floor during Jesus and Mary Chain songs (or anything of that ilk, you never know, someone might still play them) and rolling around in a 'too doped to get up' state. Anyone who thinks it's funny to kick or tread on the dancers gets dragged down to join in the fun. This is a very useful dance if you need a rest, but shouldn't be attempted at any club where people spill cider and black.
The 'Right, that does it!'
This is a new one which involves the removal of limbs of indie kids who insist on waving their hair around on crowded dance floors (if I wanted a mouth full of greasy hair I would presumably have asked?!) It involves a can of hardrock hairspray, slamdancing with armour on, and a cigarette lighter.
The Chicken Dance (or Chicken War Dance)
This a slightly more extreme version of Slam Dancing which involves dancing like a chicken and slamming using your elbows, forearms and fists. From close up it is very, very dangerous, from a distance it is very, very silly.
The Industrial Stomp
Place your feet shoulder width apart. Shake the top of your body violently from side to side in time to the music. Dance violently with your arms like a robot on demarol. Shout a lot.
Principia Diabolicus
A Philosophical Treatise
Introduction
There has been much discussion recently about the so-called 'gothic philosophy', a code by which we all live, a code by which we strive to live, or a code that we live by 'more than you' (but only on weekends). This abstract will consider the various aspects of gothic philosophy and sub culture in an attempt to bring together the thoughts and dreams of various learned children of the night from around the world.
Germanicus
If the barbarian tribes of pre-medieval 'Germany' had a philosophy it can probably be found in their writings. The Visigothic language is similar to old High German and Anglo-Saxon. However, my Anglo-Saxon is as rusty as my French, and besides they didn't actually write much down - all that exists are some passages from the Bible and some helpful phrases for the tourist:

Hwa Quithan = What can I say?
Wyrcan thone Wihagan = Make a shield wall!
Aaargh = I am presently being serrated by a drunken
psychotic, axe wielding, smelly, barbarian
However, we like to think of them as a bunch of axe wielding, psychotic, rather good looking men and women, dressed in black riding mighty war horses into battle, and eventually (axeidently (sic)) setting fire to Rome and bringing about the collapse of civilization and then going out for a beer.

Philosophically speaking we have the beer and the desire to strike terror into the hearts of mortal man in common.

That seems to be a useful beginning, and, as it would not do to dwell for too long on the fact that the visigoths were actually a group of crusties on the piss, let us consider the Medieval connection.

Medeivalis
Castles on hill tops, thunder, lightning, storm clouds, knights, dragons, musical song and dance numbers? There is a strong medievalistic element in many of today's goths. It's not an Arthurian yearning for days of chivalry and Grail quests, but rather a link with the quasi-fantastical 'romantic' aspect of the time and the genre. I think romanticism is the key here, we each have our own notion of the period and each associate it with different things. But as I appear to be bordering on psychology, and that is definitely not my field, I shall change the subject before I say something to start the Freudians twitching (....but I do have a thing for armour!).

There is more, of course, the Medieval period brought us the other legends of Camelot, those which did not so easily convert to the Christian ideal, the magic and dark forces, the supernatural! There are also the 'darker' characters (and again we know about them only through literature), Chaucer's Pardoner tells of plague and of Death stalking the land, The Gwain Poet describes the fatalistic humour of the Green Knight, and Malory of the Death of Arthur.

So from this period we get our sense of the fantastic - a sort of 'New Age with Attitude' tract which was further developed by some of the Romantic poets, oh, and the desire to ride around carrying a sword and 'smiting' people for the fun of it.

17th Century
The New Model Army were formed by Oliver Cromwell and went on Tour.

Romantic Period
The Romantic Junkie Poets were proto-goths, they fought, drank, took to many drugs, wore baggy shirts, and, like the barbarian tribes before them went to Italy to either die or misbehave (apart from Wordsworth who went to France and took part in the Revolution, and Coleridge who was too fat to be a goth but wrote some damn fine verses so he can join as long as he stands at the back).

Their own philosophy seemed to be a hedonistic celebration of nature and supernature almost on an anthropomorphic level, and a strong sense of individuality within the identity of their peer-group! I like them but Shelley was a better poet than Byron and I don't *care a toss* what the good Doctor says!

Victorian Decadence
The introduction of Vampire chic. This was a period more to do with the aesthetics of modern goth than it's underlying philosophy. However a certain element of moral turpitude could well have crept in. I suppose Dracula, although it was mainly about syph. , could be considered one of the great philosophical books of the period, or not, please yourself!

Punk
I've jumped ahead a bit here, but the pre-gothic subcultures from which we borrowed are worth considering briefly. No Leaders, Anarchistic Nihilism? No, I don't think we really borrowed that much from the punks as a whole - of course there are many individual goths who subscribe to these political doctrines - but it doesn't seem to be an integral part of the subculture today. Oh, and, "never trust a hippy!" - often a very useful bit of advice!

New Romantic
Again this was an aesthetic thing really. Adam Ant did a fair amount for breaking down the visual barriers and gave many male goths something to aspire to (beauty?) for the first time.

But then Ian Astbury was a Native American Indian about the same time, so maybe it was him.

Goth
One particular quote always springs to mind, it was made by a relatively insignificant heavy metal singer:

"It is about having as much fun as possible, doing as little damage to yourself and preferably none to those around you that you care about, and doing as much damage as possible to people you don't like."
But as

he was talking about a record and
it was on Belgian TV, I think he was probably joking.
And that, of course, is the final part, the very crux of the gothic philosophy, Ladies and Gentlemen we have a sense of humour! We are morbid, not suicidal and we can laugh at other people, and, just occasionally, at ourselves.
Summary
We have borrowed various philosophical elements from our historical sources, but the philosophical elements which are most clearly defined are: the desire to strike terror into the hearts of mortal man (or at least turn heads in the street), a romantic sense of the fantastic, the desire for pleasure in extremes, a visual identity within the subculture, questionable sexual and social practices, a fascination with supernature, the macabre, and the safety of being within a group where we get the in joke.

An A to Z of essential net.goth fashion items
A is for Amphetamines, but seeing as they are not a fashion item and they are illegal we'll have to think of something else - you get really great cheek bones though, but you tend to turn into a paranoid psychotic junkie after a while. Um.. Apple? oh, I know, Army Surplus stuff - combat's and para boots and the like for when you go off following some band or other all over the place. Yeah, that's it. TaB recommends German Army stuff which has been dyed black (unless you are in Germany, in which case you can get some of that Russian stuff that they had in Berlin last time I was there)
B is for bat: The bat is an essential logo, tattoo, pet, or item of jewellery. Partly because of it's vampiric associations, but also because they are cute and easy to draw.

C is for cloak: Opera capes are warm, stylish, keep the rain off your leathers, and are handy for concealing pump-action shot guns, samurai swords, or bottles of wine under.

D is for DM's: Not the ultimate goth boot as it doesn't have enough buckles, points, heels etc. But a very useful day-to-day/going to festivals type boot. You need at least 12 holes and again don't be confused into buying them in colours like: purple, red, invisible etc., but rather stick to the traditional black..

E is for Extensions: Add these to your head and you too can have knee length hair. Remember to wash them in bleach free washing powder and fabric conditioner.

F is for feathers: You can put feathers in your hair, your ear-rings, anywhere you like. From pigeon feathers for day to day wear, to eagle feathers for the Southern Death Cult Fan to Peacock feathers for the utterly demented.

G is for Goth, as having another with you counts as a fashion accessory!

H is for haircut: see our Beauty section for more details, but never underestimate the importance of hair. If you have short orange curly hair then get a Hat which also begins with H. There are lots of different types of hat, but we suggest Opera Hats, Top Hats, or Preacherman style Fedoras; or wide brimmed hats with lots of lace veils and black feathers for the funereal girly look.

I is for Individuality, which is why this A-Z is not dictating exactly what and how to wear things, but rather trying to give you some ideas that you can put together so you don't look like everyone else. I quite often see someone in the street and think it's a friend of mine. The truth is it isn't, but rather someone who either looks exactly like her, or someone who she looks exactly like, or maybe they're both trying to look like someone else, how should I know? Stop bothering me and go onto the next letter.

J is for Jacket: One of the few essential points of conformity is that it really must be black. What you paint on it, stick on it, and tie on it is really up to you. A waterproof fabric paint is the best type to use if you want to do it yourself.

K is for martial arts, such as Karate, Kung-Fu, Kendo, Kenjutsu, and all the ones that don't begin with K. Useful for dealing with the indie-kid/casual/ redneck problem. Not really a fashion accessory, rather a fashion statement.

L is for Lunch Box: I quite like the black batman one with the matching cup, but whatever you choose make sure it's customized with stickers or whatever. Ammunition Boxes are also popular in LA, but then they're probably easier to get hold of there.

M is for Make-Up Kit: at an absolute minimum it should contain some white foundation and an eyeliner pencil. Ideally you'll have some blush and a can of extreme conditions ultra hold hairspray from HELL.

N is for net.goth T-shirts (available from TaB or by ftp)

O if for Outrageous clothes.ie: Corsets, cross-dressing, fish-nets on the arms, Rubber, Leather etc,etc (we know they're not really that outrageous, we just needed something to fill up the letter 'O'.

P is for PVC: This is very popular in London at the moment, especially with the DiJ brigade. They have become known as "Plastic Goths" which someone thought was a kind of action man (TM) doll until it was pointed out that there was no crushed velvet action man (TM) clothes, and even if he did borrow Barbies (TM) there was still no saving his haircut. Anyway don't buy cheap PVC clothes as they tend to fall to pieces on the dance floor when you are trying to impress someone.

Q is for 'Quantum Goth' a look you want to try and avoid. It usually consists of a brand new band t-shirt and either black levi's or long tasselled skirts and army boots or Doc Martens. Often a larval stage for indie kids trying to make the transition to gothic butterflyhood so unless they get in your way it's decidedly unkind to rip their heads off. (see Extreme Violence: Indie Kids, Techniques: pages 101-534)

R is for Rat: a wonderful fashion accessory but read our section on pet care before getting one. Also make sure that it's house trained and that it doesn't have the plague as smelling of urine and having huge swelling is more usually associated with [insert your least favourite sub-culture here].

S is for Skin art: Tattoo's and Scarification (there's no such thing as a stick on scar, actually there is, but it's crap and it keeps falling off. You could always use Epoxy resin.)

T is for T-shirts: Alien sex fiend, Bauhaus, Fields of the Nephilim (last of the western hero's only), Ghost Dance, Rosetta Stone (gothic as f**k), Sisters of Mercy, to name but a few. Fashion gurus dictate that the sleeves should either be cut off or turned into a sort of shredded effect (see Knitting Patterns)

U is for Umbrella which is near enough essential over here as it always seems to rain after I have spent 2 hours getting ready. Large umbrellas are good, plastic see through ones with pink plastic handles which blow away in the slightest breeze are less handy. Sometimes a small foldable one can fit in the sleeve of your jacket and be used quite effectively on the dance floor (see dance)

V is for Victorian/Vampire look: frock coats, long dresses, corsets, frilly shirts, top hats, sword sticks, long teeth etc. etc.

W is for 'Where the hell did you buy that?' to which you should either reply 'up yours!' if they are being rude, or 'I had it made specially!' if they really like it and you actually got it at the store round the corner and they have racks of them available half price (remember stay unique)

X is for body piercing (as in what a pain it is having to take them all out if you have to have an X-Ray). Remember lads, having a ring through the end of your willy makes you pee like a watering can [Source - Zodiac Mindwarp]

Y is for Yellow (also orange, pink, green, blue, gold lame etc.) which are colours to avoid like the plague (see Rat)

Z is for Zoo, where you can adopt an animal like a bat, or a penguin if you want to. If you ask nicely and tell them that you are a reporter for Take a Bite they will let you take the animal home with you, or maybe to a club. (Then again they might not, which is a good idea if you adopt a wolf).

How to apply makeup
There have been a number of questions on alt.gothic about make-up. In order to answer them we asked a professional beautician to write an article for Take a Bite. She refused, so here is something we cobbled together at the last minute:
YOU WILL NEED YOU WON'T NEED
White Foundation
White Powder/Talc
Powder Brush
Black Eyeliner Pencil
Black Liquid Eyeliner
Eyeshadow (optional)
Black/grey/purple blush & brush
Lipstick & Lipcote
Gentle Hairspray
Pneumatic Drill
Cocaine/Flour
Wire Brush
6H propelling pencil
Washing up liquid
Plastic novelty eyes on-a-spring
'Make-Up-and-Go' Cindy(tm)
Can of spray-on-cheese
Nitric Acid
Phase 1:

Clean your skin. Cleanse, moisturise, tone. Rub it with apricot facial scrub, scratchy face pads, brillo pads, steel wool. Clean it till it bleeds. This removes any dead skin that you might have on your face. Dead things. You make my heart sing. The problem with dead skin is it tends to produce blotchy, patchy foundation.

If you need to shave, you should have already done it. The aftershave is going to hurt like hell, but, we have to suffer for our art, so the rest of us will just wait until you stop slapping your self in the face and screaming and then we'll continue.

DON'T Try to remove the top layer of your face will a spoon.

Phase 2:

Once you have wiped away the blood and dried everything off nicely it's time to start applying the foundation. Now before we ate her brains, the beautician mentioned something about adding a layer of a light skin tone coloured foundation before the white and using a spot concealer if you have a blemish, but after phase 1 you shouldn't have any zits or skin tone left so there. (You at the back! You can if you want to, OK?)

First of all put a wodge of it on the back of your hand and rub it in a bit; this is akin to an artist mixing paints on his or her palette. Then you can start to apply it evenly to your face. Don't forget to massage it in right from the top of your hairline to the base of your neck. If you have a hawk or something you probably need to do your ears too! I find it easier to draw stripes on my face (like Adam Ant) and then blend them in together. DO NOT FORGET TO BLEND THEM IN TOGETHER 'cos you'll look like a clown on bad acid.

If you are Nik Fiend you could put a bottle of liquid latex on your face or something. I have never tried it; but then I also never tried the special fried mice at the Super Garden Kitchen.

Now dust some of the powder or talcum powder over the foundation cream using the powder brush.

Repeat until you look like a flawless creature from the crypt.

DON'T use cocaine (too expensive) or flour (you'll end up covered in dough if you sweat)

DON'T mis-spell 'flour' as 'flower' in the prelims or Tamara will laugh at you

Phase 3:

Not everyone seems to realise that 'eyeliner' is for lining the edge of the eyelid and not slapping on underneath. Actually whatever way you want to do it works. Basically as long as you don't start drawing on your eyeball it's OK. You can draw all sorts of patterns, lines, dots, spiders webs. How Exciting!

Tip 1:
Liquid eyeliner stays on longer on top of eyeliner pencil.
Tip 2:
If you do draw on your eyeball, use a pencil rather than liquid eyeliner as it hurts less.
Tip 3:
See Phase 6 below
You can do eyeshadow too if you want to. For the really adept, blend several shades together across your eyelid.

DON'T try and tattoo on your own eyeliner using a 6h pencil and a bottle of embalming fluid

Phase 4:

To apply blush, suck in your cheeks and brush GENTLY along the underside of your cheek bones. Keep adding depth until it looks like you are in an advanced state of consumption. Grey, Black, and Purple subtly combined give the very best effect.

DON'T Slap your face until you get bruises in exactly the right places as they might swell up.

Phase 5:

Try to avoid the old Fat Bob method of drawing all over your face with scarlet lipstick. It's kind of passe now. You can use the eyeliner pencil as lip-liner if you have a problem with keeping within the edges of your lips. Once you have got it on, blot once on tissue paper (that means biting gently with your lips on either side of a kleenex to absorb the excess moisture, oh, you knew that, sorry... I'll shut up shall I?)

Apply some sort of lip cover; it's a sort of varnish for your lips which stings if your lips are cracked but keeps the coloured stuff on all night no matter how much kissing, snakebite drinking, or jugular piercing you do.

DON'T Eat something poisonous to achieve 'blue-tinge' effect

Phase 6:

Get some gentle hairspray, NOT ULTIMATE HOLD AQUANET INFLAMMABLE DO NOT USE ON HUMANS hairspray. With your eyes shut, carefully spray any detailed or complicated eye or face make up you may have. Wait until it is dry before opening your eyes.

This provides a small protective layer which may prevent accidental smudges. (This is also not recommended by the hairspray manufacturers or by TaB directly. We can assume no responsibility for any skin damage caused by this technique. We all do it though, and apart from the seeping sores it works just fine.)

DON'T forget to extinguish all smoking materials first!

Phase 7:

If you are feeling festive you can use spirit gum to stick things to your face like at black sequins, stars, satellite dishes, house keys. What ever.

DON'T if you don't have to.

Phase 8:

Take care of your skin. If you decide to be oh-so-hardcore and wear makeup day and night for the rest of your life, you will probably end up with an imbalance of stuff. This can lead to all sorts of problems. TaB therefore recommends lots of cleansing lotions and at least one peel off face mask each week. Once again we don't condone the use of liquid latex as a beauty aid, but it probably works.

DON'T copy anyone else's make up. Instead you should steal it, modify it slightly, do it better, and accuse Them of copying You.

The Take a Bite Taste Test
Is caffeine more important than sunlight? This question from the goth test set our corporate scientists to work, and after several lightning lit midnights, and the horrible dismemberment of several Igors here are the results.
Caffeine content in mgs per 12 oz can:

Jolt 100.0
Sugar-Free Mr. Pibb 58.8 *
Mountain Dew 54.0 *
Mello Yellow 52.8 *
Tab 46.8
Coca-Cola 45.6
Diet Cola 45.6
Dr. Pepper 39.6
Pepsi Cola 38.4
Aspen 36.0 *
Diet Pepsi 36.0
Canada Dry Cola 30.0
Canada Dry Diet Cola 1.2
* Not available in the UK

A 7 oz cup of coffee has the following caffeine content:

Drip 115-175
Brewed 80-135
Instant 65-100
Decaf 3-4

Tea actually has more caffeine per cup than coffee. Therefore the top 3 drinks with caffeine according to Take a Bite are:

3. Jolt Cola
tastes filthy, kicks like a mule on speed
2. Coffee
a warm mellow drink causing shakes and psychotic episodes if you have more than about 17 cups
1. Tea
boiled water and leaves served with or without cow-squirt. Goes some way to explain the English.
Please note: Pepsi Max does not figure in this survey as I drank it all.
Razor Cuts
The Take a Bite guide to hair care
This section deals with the five basic aspects of gothic hair, and then goes on to look, albeit briefly, on what to do when you have crimped, dyed, and backcombed your hair into oblivion and you are now bald.
Crimping
Hair dye
Big Hair for beginners - The Mohawk
The Joys of hair extensions
Baldness
Because TaB is an international publication, and because it is distributed on the internet as well as on paper we have decided not to use brand names, and instead to make a list of words you should look for on any products you buy. For example if you are looking for some crimpers, you should look for the words:
Crimpers
Gas Powered
And avoid any product which contains the words:
Wave
Napalm
Curl
Heated nipple clamp
Crimping
Well you've bought your crimpers and plugged them in. What now? Well you need to wait for them to heat up, so make sure they aren't on top of any vinyl or anything and then go and have something to drink. While you are gone get some hairspray and give your hair a once over - making sure to spray underneath right down to the roots.

Hairspray - Words to look for:
Hardrock original formula Aquanet
Extra Firm Hold Extra Bastard
Supreme Ozone Destroying
Waterproof
Words to avoid:
Hair remover WD40
Furniture polish

Once the crimpers are hot, get a finger and thumb full of hair and crimp it with the crimpers as close to the root as possible. If the crimpers are hot enough you should hear and egg-n-bacon sizzle. Hold for about four or five seconds and then continue up the hair until you've done it all. Repeat until you are crimped.

Now I'm led to believe that this process is more common in Europe than the States, but apart from being a quick way of distinguishing between a person with black hair and a goth going shopping, crimping also makes further hair modification easier and is a pretty much essential precursor to the 'big and fluffy' haircuts detailed below.

Hair Dye

Words to look for:
blue black purple
black permanent

Words to avoid:
golden yellow Just add salt and boiling water
party fun Vetinary use only

That's all I have to say on the subject, but see also: Baldness (below). By the way hair dye seems to leave hair in a conditioned state which makes it almost impossible to spike.

Do not be fooled into believing that black hair dye is a good conditioner - 'cos it aint.

Big Hair

Here are 5 steps to a big 'fat bob' haircut and 6 steps to a mohawk. Follow this easy step plan for six days a week for 3 years and dye your hair on the 7th day and you too can have hair like Queen Elizabeth I. (bald)

1) Crimp your hair
See 'crimping' above
2) Spray your hair
Add more of your gravity defying hairspray.
3) Crimp your hair again
Crimp or iron the hair to slightly melt the hairspray and produce a fine sticky layer. (This isn't *absolutely* necessary, but makes the rest of the process much easier and faster)
4) Backcomb
Backcomb it from the roots. (Just in case you think this means combing it backwards - here's how. Grab a finger and thumb full of hair from the middle top of your head. Hold it vertically and then comb the hair down towards your head, keeping a firm grip at all times.) When you have combed it down into a matted clump run the comb up through the hair and it will stand up slightly. This will hurt. But we have to suffer for our art so stick with it. For best effects use a steel toothed 'nit' comb or other fine comb.
5) Respray
When you have finished backcombing your hair you will look like fat Bob. If you want to look like fat Bob then spray it some more and use a hair dryer to set it in place. If you have shaved sides, you can easily achieve a mohawk by getting a really powerful hairdryer and some more hairspray and just setting your hair in place. Or if you've got vast quantities of hair you can brush it all over to one side and look as if your brain has exploded out of your temple.
6) More hairspray
This just sets it nicely
Extensions
Getting hair extensions put into your hair is expensive - Billy Idol has some and he is rich, blonde, has read too much William Gibson and never answers his e-mail. However, you can buy the fibers yourself and get someone to put them in for you. Here's how:

Method 1:
Jam them into a hairband of some description: This is quick and easy, but likely to come out if pulled.
Method 2:
Plait them in and then sew the fibers to your hair: The advantage of this method is they can easily be taken out again (as long as you don't sew black extensions into black hair with black cotton). The downside is they will work loose and will only stay in for a day or so at the most.
Method 3:
Melt them in with crimpers: If you use this method make sure they are properly plaited in first. The last thing you want is a globule of melted plastic dangling in your ear. (note: not fashionable at the time of going to press - who knows what the future holds!)
Baldness
Here are a list of bald people who you might have heard of:

Sean from the Marionettes
Andy from Creaming Jesus
Bela Lugosi (but he is also dead)
Tips:
Use conditioner
Give your hair a rest every now and then (ie wear a hat or something)
Once your hair starts to go thin - stop dying it or loose it. The invention of natural hair dyes and coloured hairspray will save you from ruin.
Night Blindness
by Laura Lemay
"I hear Nick's having really weird dreams again," Sarah said, leaning into Matt's bathroom mirror and drawing an even thicker line of makeup under her right eye. "When I called him today, he mentioned something about it. He was pissed at me that I woke him up."

"Oh?" said Matt, wandering into the doorway in a white shirt, tight black jeans, and a black vest. His hair was tied back off his face. "Do you think this would better with or without the vest?" Sarah lowered her pencil, looking critically at his reflection him in the mirror.

"Without. And take your hair down."

"But it doesn't tangle this way," Matt mumbled, reaching behind him and tugging at the elastic.

"But it looks much prettier that way. And besides, you're a hair-fuck, darling, you have to learn to take advantage of your assets."

"Not in the mood to take advantage of anything," Matt said, out of earshot of the bathroom, where Sarah was now putting on lipstick. He had had a bad day at work; he didn't even know why he had let Sarah talk him into going out to the clubs tonight. But it was a Friday, and they always went to the clubs on Friday.

"I thought when Nick stopped taking so much speed he stopped having freaky dreams," Matt said, louder, picking up on her previous comments.

"I'm not sure. I remember him having fucked up dreams before, though, when I was with him, and that was before he got into speed. Maybe Nick is just fucked up. Are you ready?"

"Yeah, I'm ready. I guess." Matt presented himself for her approval -- vestless, with his hair down over his shoulders. Sarah crossed the room to him and fluffed it. "Much better," she commented. "Do you want eyeliner?"

"Nah," Matt replied. "Stuff hurts my eyes."

There was a buzz from the intercom on the wall and Sarah turned to answer it. "Mzzr fmmmn nurvnm," spat the tiny speaker on the wall, and Sarah put her thumb down on the buzzer. "His lordship is here," she commented to Matt.

Some moments later there was a pounding on the door. Sarah had vanished once more into the bathroom, so Matt answered it. It was Nick, in a long grey trench coat, his short black hair flattened down on his head. He had a motorcycle helmet dangling from one hand. Nick was the consummate goth: an almost constant supply of drugs had made him scrawny; sleeping during the day had kept him pale. "Nick," Matt said in greeting, "you look like shit, man."

"Haven't been sleeping well," Nick mumbled, pushing past him, tossing his helmet down on a chair. He crossed to the couch and flopped down on it pushing one hand absently through his hair in an attempt to make it stand up in whatever style he had it in before he put on his helmet. Matt noticed his eyes had a strange tint to them. Nick had apparently started the night early, which would explain why he was late. He was waiting for the drugs to kick in. "What've you been up to?"

"Not much," Matt replied, rummaging through the closet for his favourite boots. "Working, mostly. Man's gotta make a living."

"Yeah, I suppose," Nick said, with a rueful smile. He wouldn't know, of course. Nick's lifestyle was supported by the computer software patents his father had willed him. Nick got royalty checks once a month, forwarded through his father's legal firm. The firm didn't care that Nick spent most of his money on drugs and motorcycles; they had their commissions, and Nick didn't bother them. Nick didn't understand what it was like to work six days a week, ten hours a day in order to make rent every month; Nick had never had to work.

Sarah came out of the bathroom with a rush, a grin on her face, and gave Nick a long hug and a kiss on the lips. Matt blinked, uncomfortably, looking down at the laces on his boots so he wouldn't have to watch. The intimacy shouldn't bother him that much -- after all, Sarah had been lovers with Nick before she had been lovers with Matt. But now both of them were her past history. Yet she gave Nick hugs and kisses, but stayed distant from Matt. The disparity in her behavior towards the two of them only served to remind him that even though they had called it quits eight months ago, he still wanted her. Yet another thing to brood on his mind. It was going to be a lousy night.

"How are you, Nick?" she asked, smiling, but looking concerned.

"I'm okay," Nick shrugged.

"You look horrible."

"I've looked worse."

"Very true," Sarah agreed, smiling. Nick smiled back. They were so comfortable together, Matt realized. More comfortable than he would ever be with her, although she spent most of her time at his apartment, and gave him advice on clothes and hair and anything else that sprung into her mind. Sarah and Nick had a bond. All Sarah and Matt had was a past relationship.

"Sorry I'm late," Nick apologized to Sarah as Matt retrieved his jacket from the closet. "I overslept."

"Oh yeah," Matt said, "I hear you've been having weird dreams again?"

Nick was silent for several seconds, as Matt emptied the pockets of his jacket onto the table -- spare change, flyers for upcoming shows, napkins with hastily scribbled phone numbers on them from women he had already forgotten. "Oh yeah, the dreams," Nick finally replied. "Yeah, I've been having a lot of them lately."

"I thought when you gave up speed you stopped having weird dreams, Nick," Matt commented, putting the cash and his driver's license back into the jacket.

"No man, you got it backwards," Nick looked up at him, and his black eyes bored into Matt's face. He wore a faint smile as he said, "I didn't quit speed to get rid of the dreams. I quit speed because it was _preventing_ the dreams. But now we're really going to be late. Shall we go?" He stood up, stuffing his hands once more into his pockets.

"No, wait," Matt said, holding out a hand. "Now I'm really curious. What the hell are these dreams all about?"

Nick shrugged, and looked absently at Sarah, who was adjusting her skirt under her jacket. "I've had them pretty much all my life. It's always pretty much the same thing: I'm in this room with no windows, or door, painted white. I'm sitting cross-legged on this futon thing. A woman is there. She's completely naked. She sits down across from me, cross-legged, so our knees are touching. She tells me to close my eyes and she'll give me the most incredible experience of my life."

"Oh, I've had these dreams," Matt laughed, putting his own jacket on.

"I'm not finished." Nick said, in a voice that made Matt stop moving and listen. "She tells me to close my eyes, and I do. But I can still see everything. I can see her, and I can see my own body, sitting there, across from her. Her hands touch my face. She kisses my eyelids. I can feel her hair on my skin. And then she reaches with her fingernails and pulls one of my eyeballs out of the socket."

"Jesus," Matt said.

"It doesn't hurt. In fact, it feels great. and I mean _great_, man. I'm practically coming right there. And I can still see everything. There's no blood. My eye looks kind of strange, resting in her palm like that.

"Then she holds one of them up to my face, and tells me to open my mouth, and when I do, she places one of my eyeballs into it."

"Yecchh, I don't want to hear this," Sarah held up her hands in defeat and moves to the kitchen, out of earshot. Matt turned expectantly back to Nick. He'd heard this much -- he might as well follow through. "Go on," he urged.

"Its an odd feeling, holding your own eye in your mouth. Its kind of slippery, and squishes in your teeth, like a grape. The woman tells me to bite down, and when I do, there's a squirt of liquid. But it doesn't taste too bad, and its chewey.

"And then the rush hits. And if it was good before, its incredible now. Its like no drug I've ever had. Its all your best lays, all your best trips on all the best and purest drugs, all at once, multiplied by about about ten. And it goes on and on and on, just washing over you over and over again, for what seems like hours. I usually wake up on the tail end of it. Leaves you a fucking wreck for an hour."

Matt was silent for a while, digesting Nick's story. Finally, he took a deep breath. "If its all the same to you," he finally said, "I'd rather stick with your basic dime-a-dozen wet dreams. You're a sick man, Nick."

Nick laughed. "Yeah, but at least I'm sick in a major way. None of this fucking around."

* * *
They arrived at Shades of Midnight just before eleven, and parked their motorcycles along the curb; Matt's ratty old Honda CB750 in stark contrast to Nick's brand-new tricked out CBR900. There were times Matt could be very jealous of Nick's money and the carelessness with which he handled it. Sarah had ridden with Nick on the way over. Matt knew that although she complained about how uncomfortable the sportbike's passenger seat was, Nicks bike would always been much more preferable to Matt's. Although Matt was not altogether jealous about that; it distracted him to have Sarah's arms around his hips when he rode.

There were surprisingly little people at the nightclub, for a Friday night. They only had to wait a short time in line before getting in. They went straight to the bar to order a drink before the prices went up; Matt and Nick had beers, Sarah a fruity mixed drink.

They had only been there a few minutes before a short woman with long curly black hair wandered up to them. "Nicholas, darling," she said, snaking an arm with many silver bangles on it around his thin waist. "I bear gifts for you." Her smile was flirty, the look in her eyes brutally sensual.

"Brenda, my love," Nick replied, bending down to her level and sweeping her into his arms. "Tell me, what kind of gifts?"

"Red gifts, blue gifts, purple gifts," Brenda replied, shamelessly feeding him pills she had already in her hand, her face less than an inch from his. Nick look them from her, sucking at her fingertips, grinning insanely, and leaning forward for a messy kiss, even more intimate than his friendly kisses with Sarah. Brenda squealed as he picked her up, but Matt noted she was unsurprised enough to curl one leg around his hips as he swung her around. He also noted Sarah's scowl even before he had turned to look at her.

"You are my goddess," Nick breathed out loud, and Brenda giggled stupidly. Matt felt like an idiot, being a part of this stupid seduction game. Brenda tried this every week, with varying intensity; this time it was especially bad. Matt didn't trust her. Especially since she had tried to seduce him not more than three weeks before then, and with the same tactics -- drugs, lots of them of dubious quality and dosage, given for free with a complete lack of interest in their actual effects as long as they helped her get her own way. And Nick was certainly the most appropriate victim for her tactics. "Come downstairs and dance with me." Without even checking to make sure she was following him, Nick took off for the stairs. Brenda stood and laughed as he departed, then turned back to look at Matt and Sarah.

"It was nice seeing you two," she said, in fake politeness, tilting her head in greeting.

"You know, there are better ways to get Nick into bed, Brenda," Sarah said, icily.

"Well, this one seems to be working pretty well," Brenda replied, smiling without amusement, her eyes locked with Sarah's, her body drawn up to its full height. "You aren't jealous, are you?"

"Of course not," Sarah replied. "But surely even you would prefer it if Nick were sober enough to be able to get it up."

"Trust me, Sarah," Brenda replied, cattily, "Around me, that is not a problem." And with a small grin, Brenda made her exit down the stairs after Nick.

"Bitch," Sarah swore under her breath. "I hate her."

"So you are jealous?" Matt asked, teasingly.

"Of course not," Sarah said, frowning at him. "I don't care who Nick fucks. But I wish she didn't feed him so many drugs. Its bad enough he can afford them all on his own without having them pushed down his throat at every turn."

"She didn't force them on him. He took them willingly."

"Yeah, I know. But that's Nick. He doesn't give a shit about his health. But someone's gotta look out for him, if he won't do it himself."

* * *
They saw Nick a few more times in their passes between the upstairs and downstairs levels of the nightclub. Brenda was always close to him, with a smug look on her face. He was laughing, almost hysterically at times, with a strange crazed look on his face. Matt wondered if perhaps Sarah was right, that Brenda was feeding him too many drugs. At it appeared as if Brenda didn't really care what she fed him. He noted that she rarely took any of the drugs she fed him herself.

* * *
"Boy, did you fuck that one up," Sarah commented as Matt came off the dance floor to where Sarah was standing by the bar, guarding his drink.

"Huh?" said Matt, looking at her quizzically.

"That girl over there, by the wall," Sarah tilted her head to the left. Matt looked to where she was gesturing; there was a young blonde woman in a very short miniskirt and black fishnet hose leaning against the wall, watching him idly. "She was dancing right at you. And you ignored her. Hell, you not only ignored her, you practically snubbed her."

"I didn't even know she was there."

"How could you not know she was there? She was all over you."

"I swear it, I wasn't paying attention." Matt shrugged, taking a long drink from his beer."

"Well then, go over there and introduce yourself."

Matt paused, then shook his head. "I'm really not interested."

"Not interested?" Sarah said, aghast. "She just your type! She's even blonde, come on? How could you not be interested in her?"

"I'm just not interested, at all. Not tonight."

"Come on, Matt --"

"Not now, Sarah, just let it drop," Matt retored, angrily. Sarah could be far too pushy at times.

Sarah held up her hands in concession, and leaned back against the bar. Several moments passed. "I know the real reason you're not interested." She finally stated, a small smile on her face.

"Why's that?" Matt took the bait.

"Because you're holding a torch for me," she replied, laughing, and reaching out to caress the back of his neck. Matt smiled back, but remained silent.

The joke was interrupted, suddenly, when the upstairs bartender crossed the floor to where they were standing. "You're the people with the tall gothic friend, aren't you?" he asked them. "The one who looks like Peter Murphy, aren't you?" he asked, and they nodded, amused at the comparison. "You'd better come up. He's fucked up pretty badly."

Matt sighed. This was usual for Nick; barely a month went by that he didn't get too drunk or too stoned to be able to stand. And his tantrums were legendary; he had trashed many a club in his time. Some clubs wounld't even let him in anymore, he had caused so much damage.

But something in the way the bartender had explained it this time was different. Sarah had noticed it, too. As they crossed to the stairs she groped for Matt's hand, and he squeezed it reassuringly.

Brenda was standing at the top of the stairs. A man Matt didn't know stood next to her, with his arm around her shoulders. She was sobbing, wiping her hands over and over in her skirt. Matt noted the smears of blood on her wrists. Just down the hall there a group of people clustered around the door to the bathroom. Sarah broke away from Matt and pushed anxiously through the crowd.

"Brenda," Matt asked the distraught young woman. "Brenda," he said again, catching her hand in his. It felt sticky and hot. "Brenda, what happened?"

"Ambulance on its way," the bartender who had led them upstairs noted, and Matt felt a sick feeling start in his stomach. This was wrong, very very wrong. He looked back to Brenda, and to the unknown man who was standing even closer and more protectively beside her. "What --" Nick started again.

"Nick," Branda blurted out, and then began to cry again. The man standing next to her shot Matt an angry look as if it were all Matt's fault.

"What about Nick, what has he done?" Matt repeated, gripping her wrist in his hand until she cried out with the pain.

"Your friend is sick, man." The unknown man spat at him. "She doesn't need to tell you what happened, go down and look for yourself." He gestured with his shoulder and wrapped his arms even more protectively around Brenda. Matt wondered if Brenda actually knew him.

Letting go of her hand, he nodded and pushed past the crowd that had gathered around the door. "Let me through," he said, shouldering past men and women who were pressing in towards the door.

Finally, he fought his way through. and then stopped stock still in the doorway. Nick was there, kneeling on the floor of the bathroom in the corner by the sink. He was bent over, his head and arm in Sarah's lap. His right arm lay on the floor, opening and closing slowly. Both of them were sitting in a thick smear of blood, and Sarah's hands were coated with it. She was shaking on the floor, shaking as she held Nick in her arms, soothing his hair back from his face, and murmuring quiet words to him. But Sarah was past talking; all she could do was shake and hold Nick's head in her arms. At the sound of Matt's voice, Nick's hand closed into a fist. With a jerk, he pushed himself upright, his right eye covered with his other hand. Blood oozed between his fingers. "I wanted to see," explained Nick, his left eye still bright with whatever combination of drugs he had taken that night. "The dreams. I wanted to find out, if it was that good. But I botched it, and Brenda woulnd't help me."

Sadly, Nick let his hand fall to his lap, and Matt reeled back at the sight. The left side of Nick's face was streaming with blood, all of it from his tortured right eye. His eyelid hung in tatters, and his eyeball had been neatly cut through the iris. The liquid within it oozed down his face, leaving a slightly translucent smear through the blood. The deflated balloon of his eyeball still hung within his eye cavity. Matt knew that the anguished, bloodied expression would be a vision he would see in his nightmares for years to come.

How to 'make it' in Rock'n'Roll
"Andrew (Eldritch) formally disclaimed being Goth and Goths I think it was in the NME, Perhaps we should look elsewhere in future."
Yes, but 'deny everything' is one of the most basic rules isn't it? In all honesty, Uncle Andrew never wanted to be a goth he wanted to be a heavy metal star (or at the very least he wanted to take more speed than Lemmy or Iggy), it was *that* hat and coat which started the rumours.....

In my opinion this is where Rosetta Stone and Nosferatu are failing (especially Nosferatu!) They are self-proclaimed goths and will therefore never be on Top of the Pops. What they should do is appear on Saturday Morning Children's TV, preferably under the influence of some mind altering drug, wear waistcoats without anything on underneath, affect Mancunian accents, and ask "What's a goth?" to anyone that mentions the word.

From here they can expect regular features in the sort of glossy magazine written by 35 year old women who like to think they are 15, they can release more records than can possibly be good for them, and eventually end up playing to 35,000 *seated* venues; where their original fans are either refused admission by the security, or are crushed to death by hoards of pre-pubescent girlies with t-shirts reading 'Gothic as Flip' and white stilettos.

They can then do some charity shows, have some sort of motor accident, and eventually go bankrupt, change their haircuts, and keep trying to organize come-back tours which involve day-time appearances on 'Good Morning with Richard and Judy', but always fail miserably because they don't realise they are past it.

At least one member of the band will turn into David Bowie.

(None of this applies to the Utah Saints of course - please could we have some passes love S&J)

Dear Ticia - The TaB problem page
Dear Ticia,
I am a well-educated English singer living abroad. Recently I decided to take over from David Bowie when he retires. Unfortunately I had a reputation in my youth for being a bit-of-a-goth and I am trying to shake off this image without my success. I have gone back to my natural haircolour, shown my legs to a music journalist and started eating sushi - all to no avail. I have worn 'cute' sunglasses, paisley shirts, spoken to my audience - still with no success. Now, everywhere I go I see strange visions of shirtless young men rise out of the crowds and wave to me. I'm at my wits end. Can you help?
Andrew^H^H^H^H^H David

Dear David,
Why not do what Eldritch did and release "Under the Gun". It won't work, but at least you'll feel you tried. I'm afraid the only solution is to go and work in a pub in West Yorkshire.

I have sent you a 'fact sheet on How to become David Bowie'.

Dear Ticia,
One of my fangs broke off and now I have a speech defect, a swollen lip AND only one tooth. Last night I said to someone "I thant to thuck your blook!" Can you help?

A unident vampire from the home counties

Dear Unident,
Never mind dear, everyone has their cross to bear. You should have considered what was at stake earlier. Take a few moments for reflection. Now I know this sort of thing is a bit of a pain in the neck and all, but why not just get some plastic vampire teeth. I have sent you a fact sheet.

Dear Ticia,
I am a bit confused as to what is gothic and what isn't. I don't want to turn up wearing the wrong thing, read the wrong books, or listen to the wrong music. Can you help?

Clueless

Dear Clueless,
Here are a list of things that are gothic and things that aren't gothic just for you:
GOTH NOT GOTH
Black Dayglo Yellow
Black Pink
Black Ok, you get the general gist of the colour scheme
now. Just remember that Shelley never wore a black
shirt, and that Dracula's cape had a red lining in
the film (not the black & white one though).
Strange Hair cuts Perms, Flicks, 'Highlites'and colours
Death Suicide
Various types of music Various other types of music
Kebabs Sausage on a pole
Body modification Plastic surgery
Flammable hairspray Flammable clothing
Pointy teeth and feet Pointy noses and big ears
Vampire books Picture books about dogs and balls and children with
monosyllabic names.
Laughing at people Being an object of ridicule
Trainspotting Collecting Sisters of Mercy Records with obscure
catalogue numbers; oh, hang on, they're the wrong
way around (it's ok, we can sort it out before
we go to press -Ed)
Snakebite Ringworm
Top 10 ways of spotting a goth
10. They wear bright clothes and plastic dayglo sunglasses.
9. They have deep tans and can often be found catching a few rays on the
beech.
8. They are great sport stars, often excelling at golf.
7. They keep up with the current trends in music and are always ready to
embrace new bands and stand by them once they have achieved mass
popularity and day-time airplay and never say accuse them of 'selling out'
or any such.
6. They have no sense of humour and would like to commit suicide, but
instead they sit around and talk about it alot - usually while listening
to The Smiths or other such dirges.
5. They are short and fat and have blonde hair.
4. They are teetotal.
3. They are keen folk dancers, often specialising in obscure and complex
dance steps with brightly coloured costumes with bells on
2. Many of them grow root vegetables for a living and collect Elvis
memorabilia.
1. The pope used to be a goth
And our survey said...
In a recent survey we asked a representative cross section of the gothic hierachy what their favourite things were. Here are the results:

Kebabs 5%
Speed 25% (although 40% refused to answer)
Snakebite & black 78%
Looking at self in mirror 99% (one claimed to be a vampire so we did
the you've smudged your eyeliner joke and
they went away)
Clubbing 50%
Gigging 50%
Go away, you are scaring me 20%
- RECIPE CORNER -
ANACONDA
The Anaconda Snakebite is made with half a pint of Theakstons Old Peculiar (or another real ale) and a bottle of Diamond White or 1080 (or other strong dry cider), a dash of black and two straws.
75% of those drinking it were sick
15% fell over
10% had to drink more than one pint to achieve the same effect.
This drink has the colour and consistency of slightly congealed blood (some sort of reaction between the bitter and the cider). It turns to poison in your stomach. Goes well with Kebabs.
Next Issue
Take a Bite Investigates the lunchboxes of the rich and famous.

A feature on rats, bats, spiders, and snakes.

We'll probably lig some gigs and write about them, or maybe to an interview.

The results of the net.goth "Belfry Awards" 1993.

See you out there....

Take a Bite
First published in 1993
by Battlebridge
pub@batt.demon.co.uk
(c) 1993 Battlebridge
except "Night Blindness" (c) 1992 L.Lemay
This publication is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, resold, hired out or otherwise circulated without the publisher's prior consent in any form of binding other than which it is published.

The Electronic edition may be circulated and distributed in full providing no charge is made for the service on any network to which free access is available. If printed, the electronic edition becomes the standard edition and is subject to the constraints of the previous paragraph.

Transgressors will be persecuted to the full extent of the lore

ISBN 0 666 66666 6
(Internet SexBat Number)

Yeah!

Take a bite

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Axel: New page: A zine by Count von Sexbat. Issue 1 Issue 2

A zine by Count von [[Sexbat]].

[[Issue 1]]
[[Issue 2]]

C2

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Axel:

Boston, August 9-11 1996
==The Bids==
Details are [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.gothic/browse_frm/thread/add66a1886c069fc/3122fa89a591aec5?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#3122fa89a591aec5 sketchy]. Hopefully one day [[silentq]] or [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] will tell the full story of C2 - Toronto.

The location of Convergence 2 was announced. No vote or other discussion took place.

The first announcement was by [[retardboy]] for it to be in Toronto, ON in April, 1996, however he couldn't organise a piss up in a bar so if it had not been for [[Cusraque]] that could have been it for Convergence.

Fortunately, [[Cusraque]] asked / announced his intent to hold another Convergence - originally intended to be Convergence III in August 1996 and the consensus on the group was that this was a good thing.

The consensus amongst the Toronto net.goths ([[User:Siani | Siani]], [[User:Siobhan | Siobhan]] to name but two) on the newsgroups was that the Toronto plan wasn't going to happen - more by their silence than active statements.

Net result - Convergence 2 went to [[Cusraque]] in Boston by fiat.

==The Voting==
==The Committee==
[[Cusraque]], all on his own.

==The Drama==
==The Party==
===The Bands===
*[[Johnny Indovina of Human Drama]]
*[[Switchblade Symphony]]
*[[Sunshine Blind]]
*[[Valor's Christian Death]]
*[[You Shriek]]
*[[One of Us]]

===The Official Events===
* A buffet dinner at The Middle East Restaurant
* [[Convergence Fashion Show | Fashion show]]
* Tour of Boston cemeteries

==The Photos==

Third Realm

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Axel:

Third Realm is an eclectic project founded in 2000 by [[User:Nathan Reiner|Nathan Reiner]] of Buffalo, New York. Reiner applies a unique production approach, resulting in a diverse array of sound. Fusing elements of Alternative, Dark Wave, Industrial, and Synthpop music; Reiner finds himself to be somewhat of an outcast that never truly fits in; yet finds solace in the freedom of creation. Third Realm has received international recognition through club/radio play, film placement, high profile compilation appearances, and has shared the stage with some notable bands such as 3teeth, Hanzel Und Gretyl, Aesthetic Perfection, Psyclon Nine, Dawn of Ashes, Empathy Test and more!

Third Realm performed at Convergence XVIII in Buffalo, New York.

==Discography==

* Renfield's Syndrome (EP) (2005) (self-released)
* Under the Black Light (2007) (self-released)
* Love is the Devil (2009) (Radio-Active-Music)
* Romantic Death (‎2011) (self-released)
* Manipulated (EP) (2011) (self-released)
* New World Order (2011) (Radio-Active-Music)
* Beyond Good and Evil (2012) (self-released)
* Daydreams and Nightmares (2013) (self-released)
* Sick Mind (feat. Aoife O'Leary of Moth Complex) (Single) (2014) (self-released)
* Deranged (2015) (self-released)
* Psychosis (2016) (self-released)
* Corruption (feat. Slashgore) (Single) (2016) (self-released)
* The Suffering Angel (2017) (Distortion Productions)
* Dystopian Society (2018) (Distortion Productions)
* When the Sun Goes Down (2019) (Single) (darkTunes Music Group)
* The Art of Despair (2019) (darkTunes Music Group)

==Links==

* [https://www.thirdrealm.org | Official Website]
* [https://www.facebook.com/ThirdRealm | Facebook Page]
* [http://www.reverbnation.com/thirdrealm | ReverbNation Page]
* [https://www.youtube.com/user/3rdrealm | YouTube Page]
* [https://thirdrealm.bandcamp.com | Bandcamp Page]

User:Nathan Reiner

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Axel:

Creator of [[Third Realm]]

C5 NOLA

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Axel:

==Introduction==
Shrouded in river mist, softly lit with gas lanterns, haunted by pirate kings and voodoo queens - New Orleans is a perfect city in which to hold our yearly Gothic gathering! [[Heather Spear]], [[Guymon Ebenezer Addams]], and the cast of characters comprising the New Orleans Gothic mailing list offer you their proposal for a Convergence in the city that care forgot.

==The Plan==

Breaking with the tradition of Convergences past, C5 in New Orleans would be held during the end of Spring, avoiding the infamous heat and humidity of summer in the South. We are currently negotiating with venues that can accomodate us for a late March/early April weekend. Our plan is to provide you with three full days of opportunities to see live bands, dance to the music of an assortment of DJs, experience the magic of the city during planned daytime events, and meet with other Goths from around the country (and perhaps beyond!). Of course, you may choose from any or none of the above, as New Orleans herself is an excellent tour guide.

==The Place==
New Orleans exists in a state of elegant decay. The past and the present seem to overlap - the city does not easily give up its ghosts. Mysterious, romantic, and steeped in history, it welcomes such an unconventional convention as Convergence.

There is so much to do that it's impossible to include it all here. The cemeteries of New Orleans are a must-see. Due to the high water table, there are no underground burials - rows upon rows of whitewashed sepulchers form above-ground necropoli, true cities to house the dead. The Westgate Gallery is a purple and black mansion that contains a collection of paintings, sculpture, jewelry, and books dedicated to portraying Death as a sorrowful, compassionate entity. You can visit a real voodoo ceremony; take daytime or evening walking tours focusing on any subject you can imagine (haunted places, vampires, cemeteries, Anne Rice, you name it!); tour Antebellum plantations, Civil War battlefields, primordial swamps, and gracious turn-of-the-century manses; or just sit on a wrought-iron balcony or in a lush courtyard, sipping a cool drink and watching the sun set. Of course, there are also many fine museums, two lovely public parks, an award-winning zoo and record-setting aquarium, steamboat rides and horse-drawn carriages.

The selection of Goth-friendly stores in New Orleans has never been better. There's exquisite silver jewelry at Armed & Dangerous, fancy clothing for men and women at Gargoyles, CDs at St. Germain, and ooo-la-lingerie at Siren Song. Masks and other costume accessories are available in a variety found no place else, due to the city's passion for dramatic celebration. Antiques stores abound both inside and out of the French Quarter, filled with glass inkwells, ebony walking sticks, silk parasols - there's even a shop specializing in culinary antiques, where you can find that absinthe spoon you've been wanting.

==The People==
Here's some information about your prospective C5 organizers:

===[[Heather Spear]]===
Originally from Chicago. She co-organized the first Convergence, where she learned all about what NOT to do! She promises to apply this experience (plus all she's learned from hosting costume tea parties, club events, poetry readings, etc.) to making C5 in New Orleans an unforgettable extravaganza.

===[[Guymon Ebenezer Addams]]===
Migrated from Boston. He runs the [[Mere Mortal]] record label, so you can be assured that at least one of his bands would play a New Orleanian Convergence. Also, he has promised to offer both soundbites from C5 bands and online sale of C5 tickets on the Mere Mortal website, should we win your votes. He has the saintly patience, iron will, and lack of sanity required to pull of nationwide band tours, club events, and a giant net.goth gathering.

===The [[NO-gothic mailing list]]===
(we know how funny the name is, thank you very much!) is run by Jason Puckett, and is home to NOLA net celebrities like [[Twilight]] (Amy) and [[Shadowp1ay]] (Misha). Our many-talented list members have responded to the nomination of New Orleans with great enthusiasm, and will be a dedicated, efficient team for C5.

===Bands===
Local bands you may expect to see during NOLA's Convergence would include [[Ex-Voto]], [[Cut Rate Box]], and [[Falling Janus]]. Our scene is growing
in leaps and bounds, and these three bands have contributed greatly to that growth.

===Name Dropping===
Name dropping for your vote! - some people who very well may be involved should Convergence come to our beloved city are local celebs [[Poppy Z. Brite]] and [[Anne Rice]]. Of course, if you're here, you can also just catch them walking down the street on their way home from the
corner store... :}

==The Boring Facts!==
Travel to and staying in New Orleans is easy and inexpensive. All major airlines (including Southwest) fly into our airport, and we're accessible from both coasts and everywhere in between by Amtrak and Greyhound. Our city has more visitors' accommodations per capita than any other city in America, so we'll get some hotel deals together for you. Due to the popularity of New Orleans as a travel destination, hotels are nearly all within walking distance or a quick taxi/streetcar ride away from venues, clubs, shopping, and other places of interest.

Spring turns New Orleans into an Eden of banana trees, exotic flowers, and gorgeous weather. Expect the temperature to be about
50 to 70 degrees F, with the good possibility of a little rain.

At the writing of this proposal, the tattooing and piercing age is 18, and you must also be 18 to enter a bar. However, you must be 21 or
over to purchase alcoholic beverages or enter an establishment offering gambling or gambling machines. People of drinking age may carry and
consume drinks (in non-glass containers) in the street. "Bar time" is not set by government regulations, and many bars are open into the wee hours
of the morning (a last call at 6:30am is not unusual). Some bars are open 24 hours.

Written by [[Twilight]]

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